Thread: 6.1: Deep reflection to the Devs

Originally Posted by Deveryn

I don't miss Kaiten I don't understand the sadness over an extra step being eliminated.

Its not just an "extra step." It gave us some form of resource management outside of spamming shinten and it flowed well into our iajutsus. Also sam mains are not just upset over kaiten. Its the auto crits as well that has essentially removed the fun out of getting big hits since the auto crits now hit like wet noodles. Sorry that we want sam to be slightly complex....

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

Because this isnt early 2000s anymore.

The gaming landscape and playerbases have changed, a lot more people prefer to play mmorpgs solo.

This is such a contradiction of the meaning of the term though. Mmo means massive multiplayer online. Why would you come to a multiplayer online game and want to play alone? That’s like going to a pizza place and ordering a taco lol. Single player rpg’s exists, many of them. Those are available but i’ll never understand people who complain or come into the game wanting it to be a solo experience. It’s an MMO. Not just an rpg.

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

Because this isnt early 2000s anymore.

The gaming landscape and playerbases have changed, a lot more people prefer to play mmorpgs solo.

Single player games cannot ever suffice because your character is dead and gone when the game ends, people dont see your character, the grind is limited.

Meanwhile in mmorpgs you have a never ending story, never ending grind, you get new cool things after few months to grind and get, your character will forever exist as long as the game goes and other people in the world can see them, and you also have never ending power progression since it resets every few months, it keeps you busy like no single player game will ever achieve.

More importantly you dont have to mentally exhaust yourself dealing with certain idiotic or drama filled statics and other people or limit yourself to specific raid hours, you can just relax and enjoy the game. Plus you dont have to suffer doing the mechanics flawlessly and seeing someone else screw it up for the 5th time causing a wipe.

Only reason i bother with high end group content these day is because i am FORCED TO because of the gear rewards, otherwise I would only touch raids for the occasional fun, not something i would do often.

Many of us enjoy the "competition" of mmorpgs in terms of performance, but we are not interested in the actual people, we want people to exist, but we dont want to deal with them or chat, they exist to improve our game experience, nothing more.

Well said imo

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

If more and more people prefer to play mmorpgs with a solo playstyle the technical definition of the mmorpg genre is irrelevant.

Unless you choose to worship a genre definition rather than the reality of what people enjoy.

I just think it sounds very illogical to play a game who's genre contains the word multiplayer in it, and expect, demand, or want an entire single player experience or for the developers to cater to a single player experience. It would be like playing a FPS game, with the expectation and demand that there will not be any weapons used to shoot things.

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

Because this isnt early 2000s anymore.

The gaming landscape and playerbases have changed, a lot more people prefer to play mmorpgs solo.

Single player games cannot ever suffice because your character is dead and gone when the game ends, people dont see your character, the grind is limited.

Meanwhile in mmorpgs you have a never ending story, never ending grind, you get new cool things after few months to grind and get, your character will forever exist as long as the game goes and other people in the world can see them, and you also have never ending power progression since it resets every few months, it keeps you busy like no single player game will ever achieve.

More importantly you dont have to mentally exhaust yourself dealing with certain idiotic or drama filled statics and other people or limit yourself to specific raid hours, you can just relax and enjoy the game. Plus you dont have to suffer doing the mechanics flawlessly and seeing someone else screw it up for the 5th time causing a wipe.

Only reason i bother with high end group content these day is because i am FORCED TO because of the gear rewards, otherwise I would only touch raids for the occasional fun, not something i would do often.

Many of us enjoy the "competition" of mmorpgs in terms of performance, but we are not interested in the actual people, we want people to exist, but we dont want to deal with them or chat, they exist to improve our game experience, nothing more.

You don’t get lonely playing this way? I think it’s good to have some solo content for the people who enjoy it, but you don’t actually want to do everything without grouping or being with other people, do you? I don’t mind the MSQ being redone with trusts or people able to solo some parts of relics, but raids and trials should still be group content imo. There is already a gearing path people can choose with tomestones that can be farmed without grouping using trusts. You can even do solo hunts for nuts to upgrade that gear. I don’t want them to take away my raids, trials, relic groups because solo players feel forced to group

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

If said FPS game ends up increasingly having more and more people who prefer to play with melee only weapons instead of guns maybe it is time to start asking yourself why it attracts more of such players and less gun focused players, cuz something is going on there.

Unless of course you want to ignore reality to follow some old outdated strict word definition their school/parents taught them.

Like I said, many of us enjoy mmorpgs with a solo mindset for many reasons, one of the most important being "numbers go up" meaning max gear is wanted because that is a way for "numbers go up" and that is fun, seeing yourself do better than others is fun, that requires others to exist, but does not require me to interact with them.

I follow the definition of words, because those definitions are how we communicate using languages. When you use a word but have a different interpretation of that word in your own head, no one is going to understand what you are talking about. It is not a mind set, it's English in this case...

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

If said FPS game ends up increasingly having more and more people who prefer to play with melee only weapons instead of guns maybe it is time to start asking yourself why it attracts more of such players and less gun focused players, cuz something is going on there.

Unless of course you want to ignore reality to follow some old outdated strict word definition their school/parents taught them.

Like I said, many of us enjoy mmorpgs with a solo mindset for many reasons, one of the most important being "numbers go up" meaning max gear is wanted because that is a way for "numbers go up" and that is fun, seeing yourself do better than others is fun, that requires others to exist, but does not require me to interact with them.


And this is where the solution is extremely simple yet players make it hard.
Give solo players a gradual difficulty solo designed deep dungeon where at the near max floors you get savage tomes and unique titles or anything similar really.

The solution is very simple, it gives everyone a path to max gear, yet players, typically raiders complain about how that devalues their speshiul raid gear or that they ll be forced to do the deep dungeon too which makes the easy solution suddenly hard.
Now they could make the savage tomes drop only once per week so you either get it from raid or the deep dungeon but never both, but this doesnt stop the raiders crying about how their gear is not as special anymore cuz "dirty solo players" can get it too which is a player created problem.

Isn’t this what criterion dungeons are supposed to be? 1-4 players scaleable difficulty? Idk about savage difficulty, but do you really believe a solo player should get savage gear? Part of savage is cooperating in a group to overcome a challenge together. This teamwork gets rewarded with appropriate gear that isn’t even that much higher than tome gear. Why should a solo player get the same? I don’t think you should.