Thread: 6.1: Deep reflection to the Devs

Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Housing is never going to work, not with out adding instanced housing. I am still of a firm belief the biggest mistake with housing was allowing singular players to purchase them. I understand there are loop holes around that, but those loop holes are also inconveniences to many as well. You will never see a fair housing system unless it is given to every one. I believe the most ideal change, would be to make every players inn function like an upgradable inside version of a house like an apartment or FC room but upgradable to larger sizes, while the Island Sanctuary functions as the outside portion of housing. It's a separated experience but gives everyone the same capabilities as owning a house.

IMO housing would have been problematic long run even without personal housing having been introduced; people would have presumably settled on the same small-FC shenanigans that are in fact currently employed for what is often effectively a personal house, and even when it isn't, it's still a massive damper on the care and keeping of middling to large FCs (because of the lack of scaling of FC level resources with membership, and the fact that realistically house decorating is almost always a one or two person job whatever the FC's size, there has been perennially a tendency for FCs to spall off foursomes of friends who then go and form a separate FC for housing/resources purposes. A larger amount of land available to FCs would of course only exacerbate this).

At least you don't need FC house and airship access as a practical requirement to visit the Diadem anymore, so that's something.

The problem with the MMO to RPG is really in it's direction. The game is pushing more accessibility to things such as savage, which is content that many players choose not to do for what ever reason. Making this content more accessible isn't doing anything but making job design and raid design suffer. There is nothing wrong with having a high skill ceiling, most of the most popular games have it. That skill ceiling also does not have to affect everyone in all content either.

I know they are currently focusing on correcting the housing lottery system, but I am eager to hear what they have to say about some of these concerns specifically with class design.

In the case of the class design thing I expect a fair amount has to do with the limitations of input devices and the sheer number of buttons some classes have had (SAM for instance had literally over thirty essential keybinds last time I looked at the job, during Shadowbringers).

As for accessibility of content, it's a careful balancing act in an MMO because of how rewards impact further play (something which is less an issue in traditional RPGs because in trad RPGs superbosses tend to yield a lot less in terms of actual power upgrades: you get the best gear in order to prepare yourself to fight top end enemies, not afterwards!). I feel XIV does it better than most (WoW is a train wreck partly exactly because of this situation: the skill ceiling actually DOES affect everyone in all content, because there are reasons for Keystone Masters and Mythic Raiders to visit lower tier content, and then the players who that content is targeted at, who are trying to stay in their lane, are then forced off the road by that competition), but there are still some points of contention in which doing or not doing Savage impacts others in other content (in particular, some EX trials, especially odd patch ones where it's not uncommon for PF to ask for 5 ilvl below the tier cap which can at that point only be attained by having several Savage pieces, effectively locking out those players who have chosen not to do the latter content and regard EX as their limit).

Originally Posted by Deveryn

I don't miss Kaiten I don't understand the sadness over an extra step being eliminated.

If it had zero trickle-down effects, I'd agree. But the removal of Kaiten has left Kenki, much like Blood of the Dragon's timer in Stormblood and especially Shadowbringers, stuck now in a vestigial, painfully dull state.

Unlike, say, old Power Surge, Kaiten was the basis for the job's core mechanic, not merely a "hit this second buttons to get the full effect" key.

Originally Posted by Vencio

MMORPG Online to RPG Online: I cannot stress this out...this terrifies me...FFXIV stands a stronger beacon of a true MMO & the player base adores it.....why convert it into single player? While I am not certain what other ffxiv players sees it, to me its ultimately the abolition of an MMO

Because this isnt early 2000s anymore.

The gaming landscape and playerbases have changed, a lot more people prefer to play mmorpgs solo.

Single player games cannot ever suffice because your character is dead and gone when the game ends, people dont see your character, the grind is limited.

Meanwhile in mmorpgs you have a never ending story, never ending grind, you get new cool things after few months to grind and get, your character will forever exist as long as the game goes and other people in the world can see them, and you also have never ending power progression since it resets every few months, it keeps you busy like no single player game will ever achieve.

More importantly you dont have to mentally exhaust yourself dealing with certain idiotic or drama filled statics and other people or limit yourself to specific raid hours, you can just relax and enjoy the game. Plus you dont have to suffer doing the mechanics flawlessly and seeing someone else screw it up for the 5th time causing a wipe.

Only reason i bother with high end group content these day is because i am FORCED TO because of the gear rewards, otherwise I would only touch raids for the occasional fun, not something i would do often.

Many of us enjoy the "competition" of mmorpgs in terms of performance, but we are not interested in the actual people, we want people to exist, but we dont want to deal with them or chat, they exist to improve our game experience, nothing more.

Originally Posted by Deveryn

I don't miss Kaiten I don't understand the sadness over an extra step being eliminated.

The game isn't being converted to single player. It's being made more accessible to those that might try it out that way. There's nothing wrong with that and there's potential for those people to join in the MP fun.
Frankly, the game is already very much single player as it's been with the ability to just queue up into parties and get stuff done and not really have to deal with people otherwise.

Duty Support is nothing new. We've had squadrons for some time now. Hopefully, those will see some improvement.

Housing should be scrapped and redone, but they won't do that. They're kinda stuck with it.

How is it being made more accessible... What are you even talking about?
I really hate how people call things accessible when it's made easier/ more braindead that's not really what it means.
The only thing it did was make you spam more Shinten and make it more monotonous and less interesting.

When I think of gameplay changes to make something more accessible I think of changes that have happened in the past to Mudras for example to make them less horrible unless you had perfect ping.
Kaiten has nothing to do with that at all...

Originally Posted by Ralphe2449

Only reason i bother with high end group content these day is because i am FORCED TO because of the gear rewards, otherwise I would only touch raids for the occasional fun, not something i would do often.

Why do you want the gear if you dislike high end group content so much?
The reason why you even want Savage gear is to do more Savage, so if you don't enjoy it then I don't understand the point.
You're not being forced to do anything?