SAM players are quitting

[Kira_Yaeger]

Essentially what happened was the same exact thing that happened with the third party addon bs that has been happening. A group of people yelled loud enough and the said "Oh no please! We'll fix it for you! Don't go!" Completely shitting on their old playerbase for new players that do one dungeons a week and sometimes a map or two. This time it was terribad SAM players that were malding when they uploaded their *censored* and didn't see a shiny number so they blamed the game instead of improving themselves.

[ThorneDynasty]

Essentially what happened was the same exact thing that happened with the third party addon bs that has been happening. A group of people yelled loud enough and the said "Oh no please! We'll fix it for you! Don't go!" Completely shitting on their old playerbase for new players that do one dungeons a week and sometimes a map or two. This time it was terribad SAM players that were malding when they uploaded their *censored* and didn't see a shiny number so they blamed the game instead of improving themselves.

It's always fun to see people demanding brainkilling jobs for basically easier parsing, when said people barely even play the job. And knowing that's exactly who SE will listen to.

Like do people not realize not everyone can be top 1% or even top 50%? That's why it's called the top. Begging to lower the ceiling doesn't actually make it easier to be there, it's just becomes less meaningful and probably dependent on RNG. Which I guess why the sudden obsession with reducing crit% importance. When you dumb down the jobs to the level where it's just random factors that differentiate performance suddenly the slight RNG variance becomes the culprit in this forest-for-the-trees idiocy.

[DPZ2]

It's always fun to see people demanding brainkilling jobs for basically easier parsing, when said people barely even play the job. And knowing that's exactly who SE will listen to.

Personally, I haven't come across any of those forum threads ... the ones demanding jobs become brainkilling ... the ones created by people barely able to play a certain job.

Are you certain you're reading the same forums that I am?

Or are you referring to 5chan? Reddit? Twitter? Discord?

I've read a lot of complaints in some of those, but never actually found a lot of people asking for braindead rotations to make it easier to perform well.

[Ruminous]

Personally, I haven't come across any of those forum threads ... the ones demanding jobs become brainkilling ... the ones created by people barely able to play a certain job.

Are you certain you're reading the same forums that I am?

Or are you referring to 5chan? Reddit? Twitter? Discord?

I've read a lot of complaints in some of those, but never actually found a lot of people asking for braindead rotations to make it easier to perform well.

There's a few people on this forum who have championed the changes like they're the thing that keeps them from playing the job, but without the barriers they can now play it. Not that there are many barriers to begin with, of course.

[ThorneDynasty]

Personally, I haven't come across any of those forum threads ... the ones demanding jobs become brainkilling ... the ones created by people barely able to play a certain job.

Are you certain you're reading the same forums that I am?

Or are you referring to 5chan? Reddit? Twitter? Discord?

I've read a lot of complaints in some of those, but never actually found a lot of people asking for braindead rotations to make it easier to perform well.

I'm not saying it's a super common complaint, but the few loud ones that do are being listened to (not hard to find the current resident loud and proud casual SAM who feels threatened by dedicated raiders doing more with the job than them, despite that they never actually take to content that would demand high DPS of them so it's a complete non issue in the first place).

Or I for the life of me can't find any other reason for all this, who else is asking for this.

[Tamaerl]

I'm not saying it's a super common complaint, but the few loud ones that do are being listened to (not hard to find the current resident loud and proud casual SAM who feels threatened by dedicated raiders doing more with the job than them, despite that they never actually take to content that would demand high DPS of them so it's a complete non issue in the first place).

Or I for the life of me can't find any other reason for all this, who else is asking for this.

Even the excuse given for kaiten's removal, action bloat, rings hollow imo because you're pressing shinten instead and are now having to use it more often than before as a result of kaiten's removal. I also don't understand why kaeshi was nerfed, because the auto-crit alone does not make up for kaiten's loss + the sizeable nerf kaeshi received; for me, that was an even more confusing change than kaiten's removal.
I still love Samurai as a whole, but I can't help feeling like a spam attacker now instead of the satisfying burst attacker I used to be, and I really wish kaiten would just come back so I can once again feel those satisfying big hits I used to dish out.

[weebtext]

I'm not a SAM main by any means, but I did enjoy playing it every now and again. After these recent changes I don't have a desire to play it anymore...

[Kazamaiya]

I am once again adding my voice into the support of the Samurai players out there.
I have never really been a SAM main myself, but i used to really adore the playstyle in 6.0/08 as it was one of my favourite melee DPS jobs along with DRG and MNK, so seeing the Devs going ham on removing something as impactful and feelgood as kaiten feels real bad now.
Hasn't been my first rodeo on a job i love getting a meaty boot (BRD and DRK ) but it still doesn't feel any better the third time it happens. With the statement of 'fixing' up DRG, i am uneasy about how they're gonna mess it up just like they did SAM and NIN this patch. Haven't really played much lately and Kaiten removal is a contribution to that. I'm gonna stick with you all through this until SAM gets the justice it deserves.

Bring back Kaiten, it added way more than it subtracted from the Gameplay experience, and again. Who were these changes intended for??

[AndreasSolaria]

Since the 6.1 changes, I know a few SAM players who used to play with me leave the game due to the feel of the job diminish over time, with Kaiten being the final straw. It dawned on me today that I haven't logged in since the 6.11 update, which caused me to think about why this was.

I used to enjoy doing PvE but since the changes, I was only really logging in CC, and that couldn't hold my interest to keep me logging in consistently. Other SAM mains that I know of are in the same position. To be honest, I only really noticed this today since I was receiving emails for SE asking me to refresh my sub, that I hadn't logged in for a while now. Considering I've been down the slow hemorrhaging of classes before in WoW, I don't really want to experience it again, so I most likely won't resub until the next expansion and then only stay subbed for the story from now on - playing on an expansion to expansion basis for however long it remains good.

Edit - I didn't expect this thread to blow up as it did. I posted a reply detailing why many of us are disgruntled with SE's recent job management philosophy that I shall quote below.


Edit 2 - For those who think the issue is going to ebb-away with some SAM players quitting, I want to share some statistics.


This JP player showed that on their forums, feedback has rapidly exploded following the 6.1 proposed changes, with players leaving the same amount of feedback as the total feedback between 4.0 as 6.1. That is 2~ years worth of feedback over one patch. Despite how much other players (after scanning accounts, that do not even have SAM 90 if a 90 at all) in this thread wish to dismiss this issue, it is definitely a change that has troubled players across all data centers.

I've been playing as samurai for 3 years i spend my time and effort most of all my love for this job.
Removing kaiten it's one of the worst ideia i have seen
He was close to perfect on 6.0 why change now? Nobody asks for removal, now kenki gauge is spam shinten
They bring nothing to replace kaiten..
Aoe is nerfed
Rotation became boring..
I respect your opinion about unsubbed ff xiv, for me? I gonna stay and not give up until they fix samurai..
And the job is good? Yes
But for now i gonna play with another job like dragoon or reaper (i kind enjoy reaper btw)

[Martynek]

Playing Samurai without Kaiten feels like playing without a job stone. It's an empty, soulless experience.