SAM players are quitting

[xAFROx]

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^ This is about what i feel here.

That's the thing, though. Isn't it? We've already discussed the objective points as soon as the announcement was made, and bolstered further once they dropped.

The solutions have already been suggested, we just want something done or said by the developers, some form of acknowledgement so we can move on.

The subjective is all that's left because at the end of the day, while the rotation and the gameplay may be a tight-knit script to follow and rehearse(for the high end) so that there are no mistakes, the game is slowly taking away the ability to make mistakes as we play. By that logic, there's little left to learn or improve and all we're left with is how we personally view what we do.

I dislike the changes. The job feels slow because my brain and my body both know something is missing. The job feels weak even though it isn't because the only part we ever pay attention to damage wise, console or pc, parser or not, were typically the iaijutsu skills. Because those had build-up and you watch as it hits and get the big number.

Now if you look at that like normal, it looks... like any other hit from the combo. Because everything was flattened to be about equal.

People keep trying to assert a specific viewpoint on a subjective matter by citing just the objectivity of the situation and that isn't very fair to do. By disregarding what folks have been saying is what's causing everybody to get up in arms and start a witch hunt on anybody that so much as breathes a different opinion.

Yes, SAM is still strong. Yes, SAM is still viable. Yes, SAM still has the bare minimum it needs to thrive.

We aren't arguing that point anymore. We're trying to explain why we're dissatisfied in our core. The tenka goken change not only feels weak in comparison to the other iai, but seems weaker than the combo, which is objectively, a bad call. It's also a very short range circle that requires standing inside cleaves and enemy AoEs to use to the fullest now, which is just bad design objectively.

Kaiten is a contentious topic. Is it always used? Yes. Does it need to be used? Not necessarily, but it should. The fact that it was removed is culmination of all the objective issues created by trying to compensate it, while also being highly regarded at a subjective level.

If folks really don't care about flavor and job fantasy, then the game wouldn't have any flair or flash. It'd just be 1 button spam for everything to keep balanced so long as the numbers are adjusted. That's not a game at that point. It's not engaging and it's not entertaining.

We just want our fun back. We passed the bargaining phase and are somewhere in the other stages of grief. Some are angry. Some are sad.

Stop trying to suppress and incite the new forum posters. They only came here to do what the devs said in the announcement. Myself included.

Is that not okay?

[Acece]

I do think that kenki management was absolutely killed in endwalker with the removal of kenki positionals, moving Ikishoten to 2 min instead of a min, removing third eye procs, removing 60 sec and 90 sec buffs to dump kenki Into, and finally the removal of kaiten. Now that I listed it all off they really destroyed what made kenki something you manage into the shiten gauge.

[AziraSyuren]

I don't think that the removal of Kaiten on its own was even that big of a deal. The reshuffling of potencies along with it, however, was an unprecedented blow to job fantasy that had frankly never happened in the span of a single patch- or even whole expansion (as in, x.0 to x.55) - before.

It's no wonder it generated so much feedback. It's actually one of the biggest job fuckups they've ever done.

[JakkuPM]

I don't think that the removal of Kaiten on its own was even that big of a deal. The reshuffling of potencies along with it, however, was an unprecedented blow to job fantasy that had frankly never happened in the span of a single patch- or even whole expansion (as in, x.0 to x.55) - before.

It's no wonder it generated so much feedback. It's actually one of the biggest job fuckups they've ever done.

i'll never forget when they reworked WAR in 4.2. fell cleave felt so weak after that. same thing's happened w/ midare and namikiri here

[Ruminous]

At this point, I'd settle for something that actually required me to think and plan while playing samurai. Something to make it more methodical than just wildly waving your katana around hurting things. Kaiten is gone for good, but naturally there are other ways they can make the class feel more exciting and its own thing, rather than the current discount, half-assed monk that it is now.

[DreadfullyAwful]

At this point, I'd settle for something that actually required me to think and plan while playing samurai. Something to make it more methodical than just wildly waving your katana around hurting things. Kaiten is gone for good, but naturally there are other ways they can make the class feel more exciting and its own thing, rather than the current discount, half-assed monk that it is now.

Unfortunately, I see the dev team building it more like Reaper - build resoruce and spend it as soon as it procs the skills that use it

[AsiTsurugi]

Unfortunately, I see the dev team building it more like Reaper - build resoruce and spend it as soon as it procs the skills that use it

And just like reaper, being resource negative so no one will touch it after 1 month

[Ruminous]

Sadly, yeah, kind of what it could become. But, still, just...Something that requires SOME thought and expression and requires effort other than making sure you're close enough to the mob to stab it.

[Reenn]

Its been a while since I commented on one of those tread, so just want to bump and say SAM is boring now and I wish they would revert the changes. Thats all I guess.

[Kaz_Starblade]

I don't know who in SE thought that these changes were anything other than bad for the players that enjoy playing the class.

Removal of Kaiten just makes the class feel empty now with no use for Kenki other than burning it on Shinten spam. At this point might as well get rid of it.

Additionally the potency nerfs on our big hitters just makes you feel bad every time you play the class. The class was perfectly fine in 6.08 which makes these changes even more baffling seeing the state of Ninja, Gunbreaker etc.

SE should just revert the class like it was back in 6.08. Now it just feels like a chore when you play it. I hope they listen to all this feedback that the players are giving them even though that maybe just me being on Copium at this point.