Pandæmonium story

[ZeraSkiratea]

I just want to point out Venat taking away one's privileges as superior race is not genocide. Omega from latest patch confirms they are still alive



No, Venat's message is healthy, it's a philosophy used in group therapy to help people manage their feelings and get out of high risk situations. It's not suffering, it's just pain. If you don't face reality for what it is, your pain becomes suffering and that's not good for anyone. Especially when there is no lore in FF14 where the dead can truly be resurrected without some monkey's paw effect.

Keep in mind the cutscenes is symbolic. The sundering happened after an unknown period of time took place where new Ancients are born and maybe grew up or, worse, are still babies. The sundering happened exactly just before the amourites sacrifice their children to "restore the dead". Venat ran out of time, and was forced to take action or those new life are lost forever

slight correction it wasnt the "ancients children", i think fewer people would have a problem with that as at least, it woudl the Species itself choosing to "sacrifice" themself again... it would be worse then the first 2 sure, but less bad.
Its that they decide to sacrifice unrelated,third party live that caused the divide

[KizuyaKatogami]

I just want to point out Venat taking away one's privileges as superior race is not genocide. Omega from latest patch confirms they are still alive



No, Venat's message is healthy, it's a philosophy used in group therapy to help people manage their feelings and get out of high risk situations. It's not suffering, it's just pain. If you don't face reality for what it is, your pain becomes suffering and that's not good for anyone. Especially when there is no lore in FF14 where the dead can truly be resurrected without some monkey's paw effect.

Keep in mind the cutscenes is symbolic. The sundering happened after an unknown period of time took place where new Ancients are born and maybe grew up or, worse, are still babies. The sundering happened exactly just before the amourites sacrifice their children to "restore the dead". Venat ran out of time, and was forced to take action or those new life are lost forever

This is full of nothing but headcanon. Please cite to me where in the story it says they were sacrificing their children. Exactly, you can’t. As for what she did, please look up the definition of genocide, because if you don’t think the sundering was genocide, then neither are the rejoinings. As for people being resurrected without a monkey paw effect, all the scions get resurrected in UT, with no consequences whatsoever.

[TheMightyMollusk]

This is full of nothing but headcanon.

This entire debate is full of nothing but headcanon, yet it keeps swallowing threads whole.

[Lauront]

Well... that is quite the take. In the event that some future Supreme Deity Messiah figure decides the sundered are too "privileged", have too much magic/tech and life with no calamities is getting a bit too comfy, we can reassure them that even as their kind is wiped out and altered into life forms that live much less, no longer use magic, become much aetherically thinner etc., it is definitely not genocide and, hey, some guy speaking of a succession of generations means they're still around! Especially when Alphinaud says this as it unfolds:



Rest easy little guy, and thank them for alleviating you of the burden of your uh... "privilege".

[Theodric]

Personally I don't give much weight to the 'privilege' argument. It's often coming from those driven by spite, who see that someone else has something that they want and so they come up with dubious reasons as to why that person should lose out. Ignoring, in this case, the multiple side quests that show the Ancients identifying the disparity between our character's aether levels and their own whilst actively offering to help them by sharing some of their own aether.

Which is more than can be said for the Sundered, who by contrast decided to engage in attempted genocide of the Garleans due to their difficulty in manipulating aether.

With the ability to make use of creation magic being an innate trait for the Ancients, it is also bizarre to consider it to be a 'privilege' when it comes as naturally to them as breathing.

It'd be like taking Xaela men and declaring them to be 'privileged' because they're typically very physically imposing and strong.

In addition, nobody is obligated to simply roll over and not seek a return to what once was if some deluded individual such as Venat decides to stand by idly as an apocalypse strikes. It's natural and completely understandable to rebuild and want to do everything possible to protect and preserve one's civilisation and loved ones. They're what ultimately matter to most people, after all.

[IkaraGreydancer]

This is full of nothing but headcanon. Please cite to me where in the story it says they were sacrificing their children. Exactly, you can’t. As for what she did, please look up the definition of genocide, because if you don’t think the sundering was genocide, then neither are the rejoinings. As for people being resurrected without a monkey paw effect, all the scions get resurrected in UT, with no consequences whatsoever.

Last I checked rejoinings were actually outright killing folks. Idk if it's ever stated that sundering kills people. It split them. I could be wrong but I've always understood them to be different.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Last I checked rejoinings were actually outright killing folks. Idk if it's ever stated that sundering kills people. It split them. I could be wrong but I've always understood them to be different.

Lady….i was talking about in accordance to someone saying the ancients were sacrificing babies for the zodiark sacrifices. Not the rejoinings. That’s pure headcanon and isn’t even implied anywhere. As for the rejoinings vs sundering, please look up the definition of genocide and look at the nier crossover with emet selch. You’ll have your answer i promise.

[KageTokage]

I'm really curious as to how the final tier of Pandaemonium is going to play out, but at the same time, I'm curbing my expectations that it's going to make me feel any better about the hand Elidibus and others were dealt.

I'm already bothered by the fact that we just saunter back to Aporia without showing so much as a smidge of remorse or concern about the fact our friends from the past are on the cusp of a world-ending disaster and know none the better...though I suppose that could still change if we end up having to go back in time again to figure out what the heck is happening in the present.

If they already established that the law of causality ensures that we literally can't change the future no matter how hard we tried, then logically there'd be no harm in telling others about the Final Days because fate would find a way to ensure nothing came of it in the long run.

[EaraGrace]

My my Eara. Arguing in bad faith again are we? He did directly face it, in fact it’s what made him give up on the sundered after seeing how fragile they are. There’s nothing indicating he didn’t acknowledge his grieving whereas there are quite a few examples of the opposite.

I didn’t realize abusing your grandson wasn’t a maladaptive response to grief. The fact he couldn’t even look at Varis without being disgusted should say it all.

Or better yet let’s hear how Emet described it.

Yet in spite of himself, when he cradled the newborn in his arms and stroked that downy hair, he could not help but hope. For what, he could not be certain, but he hoped nonetheless. It made little difference in the end, for his son had succumbed to some absurd illness and returned to the Underworld long before his time. Not without leaving behind a legacy, however─a living, breathing, and ever-present reminder of that momentary lapse.

Now perhaps I’m being judgey, but I don’t think that looking at your affection for your dead son as a “momentary lapse” is facing and accepting grief.