Pandæmonium story

[Lauront]

and this makes Hermes, the main character, look like a depressed sociopath in the previous stories

You won't get any disagreement from me on that point, Pandaemonium or not.

[Avidria]

I dunno, I kinda never quite believed the Ascians that their society was a perfect utopia in the first place. I didn't get that impression from any of what we saw in Amaurot. They just seemed like people with very alien philosophies relative to the modern First. Distanced from the concept of danger, apparently, but just as prone to hubris and arrogance and folly as the sundered they so looked down on.

Endwalker just reinforced the opinions I already had of them.

Also the only divinity I remember being mentioned related to the Ancients was from the perspective of Sundered people who had nothing but broken and faded memories of what, to them, was the creator and destroyer of the world and a society that their unsundered selves clearly thought of as a paradise even if it also very clearly had an ugly underside.

Doubtful. Unless they retcon the story the Lahabrea that exists in Elpis time is the same as our Lahabrea.

Genuine question here, but what would they need to retcon to make that the case? Is it explicitly stated anywhere that the genius scientist Lahabrea everyone seemed to love is the same Lahabrea we kicked into dust in Prae? There is a time gap between Elpis and the Final Days.

[Skyborne]

Genuine question here, but what would they need to retcon to make that the case? Is it explicitly stated anywhere that the genius scientist Lahabrea everyone seemed to love is the same Lahabrea we kicked into dust in Prae? There is a time gap between Elpis and the Final Days.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../#sidestory_07

I closed my eyes, letting out a measured breath, or what passed for one in the emptiness of the rift. He was right, of course. Lahabrea's boldness had only grown with the passing of ages─segueing inevitably into recklessness. Across many vessels and many worlds he blazed his trail, each mad leap forward leaving him that much more broken. Not satisfied with having brought about the Seventh Umbral Calamity, he labored needlessly to prolong it.

Was it his affinity for concepts of flame that made him so like the fire itself? From peerless Ifrita to that hopelessly immortal bird, his creations had burned bright and beautiful─as did he.

He should have known what becomes of the flame once all else is ash.

Dunno, Eric seems to be more well-known for... chain magics so far, while Bad Dad Lahabread was the genius at creating concepts. In any case, I'm already expecting some kind of cheesy dad/son reconciliation and something that really makes such an impression on not-Elidibus that he still remembers it 12k+ years later.

Unless they subvert all expectations and everything I'm thinking of is upside-down! But that'll take at least a year or so to materialize.

[Avidria]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../#sidestory_07



Dunno, Eric seems to be more well-known for... chain magics so far, while Bad Dad Lahabread was the genius at creating concepts. In any case, I'm already expecting some kind of cheesy dad/son reconciliation and something that really makes such an impression on not-Elidibus that he still remembers it 12k+ years later.

Unless they subvert all expectations and everything I'm thinking of is upside-down! But that'll take at least a year or so to materialize.

Ahh interesting, and fair. I'd have to go back and play or read through things again to know for sure, but my thought processes for them feasibly being different people was like... the Lahabrea of "present" Elpis is praised and raised up as this brilliant genius scientist and creator, while the current Lahabrea seemed to get... I dunno, talked down on by the other Unsundered a fair amount. Their opinion of him felt wildly different to what we see of the Lahabrea of the past.

Which, an apocalypse or two and a few millennia after all of that would certainly have huge impacts on a guy. So I mean. I could see it going either way lol

[Jeeqbit]

I interpreted it as being an almost-perfect society but with exceptions such as Hermes or Pandaemonium and it's because of these exceptions that we have to investigate them. We don't know the full story yet so we should wait until 6.4 to have all of the information.

[redheadturk]

Uh, yes, they did make Hermes look like a sociopath. Guess what? It might be because he sorta was

[OhNooo]

What do you have against single parent families?!

Also we been knew Hermes was a depressed sociopath.

[Lepus_Aetherius]

What do you have against single parent families?!

Also we been knew Hermes was a depressed sociopath.

We Japanese have seen too many of these single-parent family drama scenes... It's quite common and archaic in Japanese films and dramas.

[GrizzlyTank]

Uh, yes, they did make Hermes look like a sociopath. Guess what? It might be because he sorta was

Complete disregard to the rules and regulations, which resulted in the death of multitude of planets...

[Theodric]

One could propose that the real 'hubris' is taking modern day real world values and seeking to retroactively apply them to past societies both fictional and real.