Leveling/playing DPS is actively punished

[Stasya]

It's like that on purpose...thru sont want the trusts to be better than playing with players. I'd they made trusts better people would just stop queuing normally. Trusts are just there for story players.

It's essentially waste of time, no matter how hard you press your aoe rotation it will be better just afk for 40+ minutes and do something irl than playing with bots. Its funny how they waste recources for that.

And you know they can adjust aoe potencies/will they use cds or not but naaah lets make trust npc literally afk waiting while enemy will cast aoe.

Story players? i have met many first timers while leveling alt and im not 90 yet

[Ransu]

It's essentially waste of time, no matter how hard you press your aoe rotation it will be better just afk for 40+ minutes and do something irl than playing with bots. Its funny how they waste recources for that.

And you know they can adjust aoe potencies/will they use cds or not but naaah lets make trust npc literally afk waiting while enemy will cast aoe.

Story players? i have met many first timers while leveling alt and im not 90 yet

You can call it whatever you want. Its only a few minutes slower than running with players, but the point is they are designed that way on purpose to complete dungeons within a certain time and to be slower than with players so that its not a better option than running with players. If you don't want to wait for the queue or don't want to play with others you have that option to do so, but its still a multiplayer game, thus obviously they have to balance it to favor player groups.

The trusts are perfectly fine the way they are. If you don't like it then queue with players.

[Kaedys]

My response to these types of threads is always the same. If you're frustrated at the queue length for DPS, pick up tanking or healing. If you don't want to do that, now you understand why the roulettes are nearly always waiting for tanks and/or healers. They already have the Adventurer In Need system to actively rewarded players for queuing as tanks and often as healers. If you refuse to go queue as a tank or healer despite the additional rewards, and despite your frustration with the DPS queues, well, you're part of the problem your idea is theoretically supposed to solve.

Thing is, there's a subset of players that simply enjoy tanking, and a subset that enjoy healing. Then there's a larger pair of subsets that are willing to do it, but would prefer to DPS. The lower the DPS queue time, the fewer of that second subset actually queue as tanks and heals. You could dial dungeons up to 3 DPS, or probably even 4, and you'd still see the similar results, because as the DPS queues go down, the supply of tanks and healers drops too as more players shift back to playing their preferred DPS job.

And specifically for leveling, trust/duty support is a very strong option. Yes, the NPCs do not AoE, and yes, they'll just stand there waiting for hostile AoE to go off rather than DPSing from their moved position, but the runs take almost exactly 30 minutes and have no queue time. Player runs rarely take less than 20m, or 15m at the absolute minimum, so if your queue time is longer than ~10-15m, you're better off using a trust for that run, from a time efficiency perspective. Or running PotD/HoH or Bozja or FATEs or w/e. Or better yet, running FATEs while waiting for the queue.

[CelestiCer]

Re-Leveling an alt and " DPS does feel actively Punished "

• DPS deals with very long queues
• DPS are not encouraged to be responsible
• DPS even if played correctly feels unrewarding
• DPS with Duty Support just feels clunky

Square does not push responsibility on DPS, nothing to do wrong or right except " Hey, just don't die ". Skill-Floor is made laughable, but everyone starts somewhere. Just that at times the Skill-Ceiling is about as high as the barrier of entry. No room for skill-expression, even if you try to its rewarded with " Thank you for existing? sorta, I guess. "

DPS: What's Feinting and Addle btw?

This cuddling of the player-base encourages irresponsibility. With Zero damage checks anywhere, the DPS can spam their single target Lv1 skill unpunished cause that's how Square designed it. You can't tell how another player should play either that's against ToS. Even if it results in makin dungeons twice / 3x longer.

DPS Don't learn from mistakes, just enjoy your mistakes - big Thumbsup

I say there should be a lot better methods to design the game around what each role has to offer. Coupled with very mild DPS checks here and there, spicing up the dungeons a little bit to make it feel ever so slightly rewarding to maximize learning DPS properly? would be nice. Cause you can quite literally ( not joking ) make Dungeon runs twice as fast if you play your DPS job correctly.

But Square won't do this because why appeal to players wanting to play properly, when you can appeal to cushioning the lazy to be more lazy i.e soulless Duty Support while simplifying the Jobs to deal more damage with less effort and mastery.

Some examples? Think SMN rework, Kaiten removal and next up perhaps Dragoon's line AoE's turned to Circles who knows what SE might do.

[george357]

have all my jobs capped and with ilv500+ gear and weapons/tools so leveling is not a problem.

[Ceridwen]

You CAN pull several mobs with the trusts, but they are slower, yes. I got quite good at it - you have to use your own tactics, and it's different. They're also more peaceful and I like them quite a bit. If you build up your squad, and have one arcanist, it can be better than most pre-50 player groups. I don't like that as much - you have to just stand there and direct them, and that's not fun, but it's not slow.

But there are more DPS jobs, more people playing those, so - what else would be the outcome? It's not being punished if you pick the most popular thing, & have to deal with the reality that a lot of others are doing it, too.

I got all mine to 90, and it wasn't THAT bad. I queued while working on the weekly fate challenge & doing beast tribes. (the ARR and Heavensward ones are useless, honestly - I wish they'd give them some notable xp buffs.) I'd queue with healers for 2 & get the duty challenge on the dps. I'd do a one a day pvp (and no more, because I'm not a fan) I'm doing the same on my bunny alt now.

[Curisu]

Ah, a problem as old as Dungeons in MMOs.
Just get a friend who wants to level a healer/tank and you get your insta invites as a DPS.

Also, the wait time for a dps is not really that long and in case of trails, alliance raids and normal raids often even shorter then tank and healer queues.

That's why I level my DPS classes by doing these and choose tank healer for the leveling and 50/60/70/80 roulettes.

Or, do something else while waiting.
Normal quests, fates, glamour, RP, crafting, collecting, beast tribes, etc.
When you play smart you will have no wait time.

[ThorneDynasty]

One problem is that there's not really a reason to refresh your tanking/healing basics for each job just practicing on casual content. If you know one job you can probably jump into another you've leveled previously after a single dungeon run. But knowing a DPS rotation to the point where you can rely on muscle memory alone and fully focus on fight mechanics can take a day or even days of practice depending on the job and the player.