FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[Fawkes]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

Everyone is affected by it when the devs water down all the jobs so they can have similar parses. There was a huge thread here where somebody posted a bunch of graphs of different jobs DPS and made a huge stink about how the jobs that had slightly less DPS were "dead".

[DivineP]

The thing is, it's suppost to be against the ToS. I've also explained it's a cross gameplay and gives one side an advantage.

Something should be done to break all add-ons.

I love seeing ppl running around dying day one content!

[VerdeLuck]

The problem is a small amount of people that are using that tool to try to "prove" their self worth based on it. People ruin things.

It's also not a huge problem inside of the officials or the game because GMs will quickly ban for it, but outside of those there are a lot of communities on Reddit, Discord, and others that definitely do the name and shame behavior with parses. They're just outside of what SE can enforce.
Places like talesfromdf and the like are what really give them a bad name, not the guy who just has it up while he practices P3S to see how he stacks up against a clear parse.

[Ath192]

Parsing is absolutely a disease and the video is spot on.

Parsing wouldn’t be a disease if:
1. People used it to improve their rotation and get a general sense of where their damage should be.
2. People acknowledged there are several factors that determine success in a fight and damage is only one of them
3. High level parsing was kept to parsing groups only, not bleeding through all PF

Do people do this? No. No they don’t. And inevitably the wipers in PF are one of two bad players:
1. Players who have no idea what they are doing
2. Players who would otherwise be fine but are greeding to increase their parse

And the worst part is people do absolutely judge their self worth based on their parse and recruit for statics based on parses, locking other players out because they don’t have a static and PF is a mess. Good players or not.

I would care to say that some people defending parsing here couldn’t do otherwise because again, their self worth is determined by their parse. So to them, attacking parsing, is attacking them personally.

The game would be much better off if players would be required to pass the stone sea sky dummy before unlocking a savage fight and all parsing were disabled unless everyone in the group consented to it, like the recording feature.

But that would entail a parser being supported, which the creators of the game are against. It’s almost as if they know that people will misuse it on a massive scale and be jerks about it.

Parsing is neither good or bad in theory. In practice, actual reality, it has made the game experience worse.

[OdinelStarrei]

NIN thing is REALLY derailing this thread; But a very easy way to tell whether someone is doing their rotation "correctly" is looking at aggro positions in the group. A NIN being 6th-8th in aggro in the party without dying is definitely not playing correctly.

As for the original post; Parsing is a tool, a tool isn't a disease. The problem is a small amount of people that are using that tool to try to "prove" their self worth based on it. People ruin things.

I don't think it's a derailment at all. If anything, it's a perfect example of just how little relevance there is in actually understanding anything versus having convenient scapegoats.

I literally just gave this person a relatively nuanced, fact based response on why people might be a bit confused a major part of the NIN identity is totally missing in an environment of 23 other people. At least ONE of them might be cognizant of it. (You'd have to be a real bellend to call someone out for it publicly though.)

Then I get hit with the "yeah it's totally reasonable to be stuck in Satasha for 60 mins. Yes, those 90min Delubrum Reginae runs were totally operating as intended, and not the 15 minute ones."

Parsing mattered a whole lot more when we actually had a skill ceiling to respect. We don't have a high skill ceiling anymore, so who actually cares what you parsed? It's not impressive! Frankly, I'm sick of the entire thing, because the people who need parsing to understand things don't or cannot look at them objectively, if at all, the people who do use parsing usually can't understand things like how percentiles actually work or even basic graphs, so they substitute it with only "color number" or "muh crit rate." And for the rest of us, people who care about data analysis over egos, have to put up with never ending turf war of people proud of being absolute garbage in a multiplayer game I'm paying for, and also people who believe being good at a video game makes them better as human beings.

Actual clown reality. When you cripple your skill ceiling, this is the result.

[Saraide]

The thing is, it's suppost to be against the ToS. I've also explained it's a cross gameplay and gives one side an advantage.

Something should be done to break all add-ons.

I love seeing ppl running around dying day one content!

As long as someone in your party uploads the logs it doesnt matter if you are on PS. You still have access to it and can use stuff like xivanalysis to help you look for whatever improvement you want.

[LeonKeyh]

Everyone is affected by it when the devs water down all the jobs so they can have similar parses. There was a huge thread here where somebody posted a bunch of graphs of different jobs DPS and made a huge stink about how the jobs that had slightly less DPS were "dead".

All of the jobs already have similar parses though, and it's been that way for a long time.

People love attributing job changes to people who parse but meanwhile all of the job changes piss off people who parse the most because all of these job changes lower the possible range where they can show off and bring the top parsers and the bottom parsers closer together.

Parsers aren't the villain that you're making them out to be, not in that respect at least.

It's also not a huge problem inside of the officials or the game because GMs will quickly ban for it, but outside of those there are a lot of communities on Reddit, Discord, and others that definitely do the name and shame behavior with parses. They're just outside of what SE can enforce.
Places like talesfromdf and the like are what really give them a bad name, not the guy who just has it up while he practices P3S to see how he stacks up against a clear parse.

TalesFromDF isn't even that bad. Most of the posts on there are 0 DPS healers, YPYT tanks, quality community members, tanks not using mitigation, and Cure I/Bene/Physick spammers. Sure, sometimes you get the occasional post with a very egregious parse, but if TalesfromDF is your example of something that gives them "a really bad name", then I'd say that this isn't a problem at all.

[RobynDaBank]

2. Players who would otherwise be fine but are greeding to increase their parse

I hope nobody calls you out for straw-manning, because this literally happens in my current static. Healer I replaced greeded his Aetherflow stacks on Energy Drain and barely ever used Sacred Soil. DRG in the group caused a few wipes at times on P3S add tethers because he would greed damage until the last second, moving to his position only at the very end and confusing anybody tethered to him.

[Saraide]

I hope nobody calls you out for straw-manning, because this literally happens in my current static. Healer I replaced greeded his Aetherflow stacks on Energy Drain and barely ever used Sacred Soil. DRG in the group caused a few wipes at times on P3S add tethers because he would greed damage until the last second, moving to his position only at the very end and confusing anybody tethered to him.

That dragoon was actually just an idiot because add phase on P3S is removed from FFlogs and for good reason.

[Raoabolic]

The thing is, it's suppost to be against the ToS.

*look at the XIV twitter*
*They are giving props to the first kill of an ultimate fight*
*dps meter right in the screenshot of the kill*
It's the little things that make me laugh, lol.