FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[Jin-]

Class fantasy and unique tools won't go together with the balance / parsing. Square chose the worse side

[Larirawiel]

Class fantasy and unique tools won't go together with the balance / parsing. Square chose the worse side

Yes, that is so weird, IMHO. They say, that no one should use parsers but their job/class design is optimized for parsers.




Cheers

[Johners]

Class fantasy and unique tools won't go together with the balance / parsing. Square chose the worse side

There is a balance that can be found but that ultimately means accepting you can't add too much to the game either. The balancing situation in this game is an interesting balance of keeping existing jobs interesting, adding new jobs that are interesting, adding 10 levels every expansion and keeping previous scaling points balanced (for old ultimate, savage and extreme content synced). At some point they'll need to rethink this approach of just adding new jobs, more levels and trying to keep it all balanced for every scaling point.

Square Enix definitely get things wrong as we can see with people unequipping gear to do 15 minute Crystal Tower runs instead of 30-40 minute runs of any other alliance raid (although that's more on scaling changes than any specific class/job design changes). There is a duty to keep the game balanced otherwise you'll end up in situations in which the fun classes could be the worst to play and players have to choose between enjoyment or doing/clearing content.

[Kaurhz]

The act of parsing in itself is not a disease, it is a very good tool utilised for self-reflection.

The disease in itself actually manifests in parsing with what many people do with that statistic, how it influences the manner with which you treat individuals, and whether you essentially force a mentality upon other people. I would go out of my way to say that a lot of players do in fact use parses in a very toxic way. Be it in attempt to dismiss others' opinions on the forums, or just general belittling other people when in party or just overall, really. I think the whole treatment surrounding low parsing in general is a testament to this idea. Not that it is completely and entirely rampant, but it definitely does exist, and in quite a heavy manner, no less. -- and in a wide range of forms/attitudes.

I could hide my parses, right now or I could make them public, if I parse low, arguably I could get accused of buying or paying for a clear, which has been an accusation lobbed around here on occasion. If people see parses hidden they make some dodgy leap in logic that there's some active effort to disguise low level play, or low effort mentality, when in fact the parses ultimately just comes down to the ability to self-reflect. If anyone needs to see a parse, they can request an unlisted parse, of which there is plenty. Not that I do this, but it is a very real mentality, and often than not one that is just as rampant as people hiding them as a means of disguise whilst subsequently trying to spin a malice intent behind it.

A lot of people definitely do have a disease-like mentality behind parsing, in one form or another, really.

[Saraide]

The game uses DPS checks in form of enrages. Because of that logs are good for transparency. If all you are doing is getting carried it will show with the help of logs in one way or another. Past that logs only matter as much as you yourself care about it.

Pointing at what dumb optimization strats people do to get the top log is not very useful. The system just falls apart at the top end, clear time becomes a more useful metric even though individual contribution becomes less clear to that. But if someone is consistently pulling in 0s across the board then it is healthy for the community to be able to gate them out. They are simply not ready to engage in group content with enrage timers.

[DivineP]

Hey,

First time poster but long time lurker!

In my opinion, I think people tend to forget that we have cross play.

I play on the PlayStation myself and I have no access to ACT (That I am aware of, nor care) and therefore I am at a disadvantage to PC users with Cactbot in raids, add-ons in PvP and in extreme cases an add-on that tell someone what raid, dungeon, trial comes up in a roulette.

Why do they have the option to skip a 70 Alliance Raid that I've qued for for 30 mins, only to reset my que due to the add-on and they dont want to play longer content? Therefore Wasting my time because im on PlayStation?

To be fair I que because I like the content and I don't want a quick clear like the 50 Alliance Raids. I'm a main healer and I love people making mistakes only to learn.

I have seen alot of discussions lately around add-ons and I do believe the more lucrative ones (Cactbot) does give players an advantage over others and can cause drama.

I was in a 80 Alliance Raid once, and somehow someone was flaming me for not doing the right rotation as a Ninja. How did they know when I'm meshed in with 23 other people and have no cast bars, yet others can complain about a rotation?

[Doc_Seraph]

Kupo, if a person is using parses to elevate self-worth then show them love and explain it will be okay. They need good vibes to come out of this mental gutter. Encourage and love even when they are belittling because I promise you kupo they wear a cape of insecurity.

<3 kupo

[Cheremia]

I was in a 80 Alliance Raid once, and somehow someone was flaming me for not doing the right rotation as a Ninja. How did they know when I'm meshed in with 23 other people and have no cast bars, yet others can complain about a rotation?

I will play devils advocate and say that they might know nin very well.
Animations (even with effects off) are VERY clear.
As said, i see things myself like AoE on single target, vice versa and also dps i dappled in pushing random buttons (every offglobal, disengages, engages while on boss).
As a healer, i have a lot of time to look what people are doing.

They might have parsed you too tho but i can tell you that parsers, on the spot, in fights, dont give you a complete rundown of your rotation.
They just tell your numbers on the surface and being low does mean:
-wrong rotation
- or buttons do not be pressed

If it was during a fight, i doubt they had time to check which skill was used how often etc.

But since they were flaming, they probably parsed and you can report them for flaming you.

[DivineP]

I will play devils advocate and say that they might know nin very well.
Animations (even with effects off) are VERY clear.
As said, i see things myself like AoE on single target, vice versa and also dps i dappled in pushing random buttons (every offglobal, disengages, engages while on boss).
As a healer, i have a lot of time to look what people are doing.

They might have parsed you too tho but i can tell you that parsers, on the spot, in fights, dont give you a complete rundown of your rotation.
They just tell your numbers on the surface and being low does mean:
-wrong rotation
- or buttons do not be pressed

If it was during a fight, i doubt they had time to check which skill was used how often etc.

But since they were flaming, they probably parsed and you can report them for flaming you.

Hello!

Thank You for your response.

Can you watch a specific person among 23 other people whilst dodging mechanics in the 80 raids without add-ons?

Edit: I turn party effects off or I can't see a thing in those things! I can see things like cast bars, agro numbers on the party etc but it's mayhem with the effects on! xD

[Azuri]

Hello!

Thank You for your response.

Can you watch a specific person among 23 other people whilst dodging mechanics in the 80 raids without add-ons?

Yes...? You have those "eyes" things, you know.