FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[Sebazy]

Hello!

Thank You for your response.

Can you watch a specific person among 23 other people whilst dodging mechanics in the 80 raids without add-ons?

Edit: I turn party effects off or I can't see a thing in those things! I can see things like cast bars, agro numbers on the party etc but it's mayhem with the effects on! xD

Honestly, once you've got the fight memorised, recent 24 man content is actually amongst the easiest to observe and tutor other people as there's almost no random factor to the encounter whatsoever. Byregot takes this to the absolute extremes, assuming you arms length the pushback and thunder cross there's nothing you need to pay attention to for several minutes at a time.

[Azuri]

Indeed.

If you would like to respond to my first post darling, that's fine. However my quote was in reply to someone else so we could discuss the topic.

Please don't derail the thread with comments like that.

I will gracefully pass on that advice, love.

Sorry.

[OdinelStarrei]

Instead of putting you on blast, I'm going to try and explain why, for NIN specifically, why. It's because of Trick Attack and more recently, Mug. Since you need to set up Trick, and both are a very unusual color and contrast in comparison to most debuffs (yellow/black). The application of these buffs fall in line at a very set 60/120, which proceed to cycle. And because it's a debuff, not a personal, every person who is attacking the enemy, even outside of your own party, will know it's missing if they have even a surface level understanding of NIN's rotation. If you don't have your Trick debuff, that probably means Ten Chi Jin is late as well, which can lead to dealignment. Mug being late delays it from other jobs 2 minute buffs, which is fairly obvious, since every job in the game has a 2 minute burst window now, many of which are deliberately stockpiled, such as RDM or SAM.

60s Trick Attack has been the burst window metronome for many years. People hold their bursts for Trick and Mug because it's incredibly consistent. The damage up part of it being 2 mins instead of 1 min in 6.1 doesn't change that, as long as Suiton set up still exists for the NIN specifically.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I like how many people are just completely not getting Chair's point whatsoever, as I anticipated many wouldn't.

Parsing isn't the Big Bad but at the end of the day, its only real purpose is for self improvement and knowing where you as a group need to change or improve to clear a Savage/Ultimate level fight. Anything beyond that is players placing more importance on it than it actually has.

Numbers chasing isn't inherently bad, either, but when you begin neglecting your job role or screwing things up for your party, all for the sake of padding your parse, that's where it's being used improperly and has become a disease to the player in question.

That's it, that's the entire point of the video.

[DivineP]

Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

My issue is, if i use raiton (a lightning strike) with effects off, you can't see it or the buff build up leading to it from the Mundra. (No indicators under the party member template)

I wonder how someone would be able to see if I'm using Raiton (optimal on single target) or if I'm using katon (optimal on multiple target) there's just no way to tell unless you are severely focusing on someone's game play and affecting your own performance.

If effects are on then I can't track it in all the chaos! (So many flashes! Haha)

Things are easier to spot like Doton, which is a ground AoE - I never use that single target tho.

They could go by the agro list on the party list, but again without looking before hand who's got better gear, food, pots it's anyone's guess!

In summary, I just think it's unfair in a cross play game that one platform has an advantage. Especially with Cactbot.

[Saraide]

Hello!

Thank You for your response.

Can you watch a specific person among 23 other people whilst dodging mechanics in the 80 raids without add-ons?

Edit: I turn party effects off or I can't see a thing in those things! I can see things like cast bars, agro numbers on the party etc but it's mayhem with the effects on! xD

In an alliance raid? Absolutely. Nothing mechanically challenging happens. All that's left is having to know your own job well enough to do it with little attention and to know the other person's job well enough to look out for key points.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

My issue is, if i use raiton (a lightning strike) with effects off, you can't see it or the buff build up leading to it from the Mundra. (No indicators under the party member template)

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you turning effects down only affects your client, not other player's. They would have to have effects turned low or off as well, otherwise it's quite easy to see when someone is doing something wrong.

Granted, they could also be a weirdo like me who relies on sound effects and character animations for jobs I'm intimately familiar with.

Also pretty sure even turning party effects off doesn't hide indicators on the party menu... those are always on display depending on people's settings.

Hi!

Indeed! But how in the middle of all the other effects? (Maybe ppl are more observant than me haha!)

I mean yeah, if someone plays a job often, they know what to look for. Could also be they have all outside-of-party effects turned down, but leave party and self on.

Idk man, weird argument to make.

I'm too lazy to install ACT, so when I notice something is wrong, it's because I know what to look for (and also, you can definitely feel when things are dying slower than they should, trust me).

[DivineP]

In an alliance raid? Absolutely. Nothing mechanically challenging happens. All that's left is having to know your own job well enough to do it with little attention and to know the other person's job well enough to look out for key points.

Hi!

I posted below about effects etc.

[DivineP]

Hi!

Indeed! But how in the middle of all the other effects? (Maybe ppl are more observant than me haha!)

[Kolsykol]

I don't think I've ever had anyone make them parsing noticeable in any group I've been in, the only reason you'd ever know it was a thing if you don't use it yourself is if you join a logging group which would be your own fault.
I've had DPS being brought up before in a negative way but that has been because we could see the % of the boss after a certain phase being too high so our group DPS was clearly too low to kill ( this was mainly an issue in the first couple of groups in P2S, never had that issue past that but ppl are more geared now too ).