FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[TaleraRistain]

If someone is standing on the street proclaiming the end of the world by invasion of oversized lobsters, do you also take it seriously? There is no reason to take someone seriously if they are unironically talking about alliance raid or expert dungeon logs. It's like holding a giant sign that says "hello please ignore me". That's different however from calling out someone who is clearly not putting even the least bit of effort in to respect the time of people who are grouped up with them even if your regular talesfromDF poster cant tell the difference. But that's a subreddit best ignored anyway. You're better off never looking at it anyway.

We've had this argument ad nauseum on these forums before. Why does anyone think they have the right to call someone out who was put together with them into a group by a random matching system? In a situation where content requires that sort of mentality then being able to openly discuss and analyze should be welcomed and encouraged. But in content that doesn't require that mentality, there's no reason to bring it up because the content can be cleared without that mentality.

If someone absolutely must have X experience in roulette, whatever that is, then they have the capability of making a premade for their exacting specifications. Otherwise, there's a certain amount of flexibility that is going to service people the best when they let the system randomly match them with players of varying skill levels and experiences.

[Saraide]

We've had this argument ad nauseum on these forums before. Why does anyone think they have the right to call someone out who was put together with them into a group by a random matching system? In a situation where content requires that sort of mentality then being able to openly discuss and analyze should be welcomed and encouraged. But in content that doesn't require that mentality, there's no reason to bring it up because the content can be cleared without that mentality.

If someone absolutely must have X experience in roulette, whatever that is, then they have the capability of making a premade for their exacting specifications. Otherwise, there's a certain amount of flexibility that is going to service people the best when they let the system randomly match them with players of varying skill levels and experiences.

Yes, there should be some basic form of game understanding expectable even for normal content. If someone presses a button once every 10 seconds, never aoes and generally has no clue what they are doing in expert dungeons, the toxic act is not me calling them out, the toxic act is them doing nothing. I expect people to not intentionally and willfully waste other people's time, because it's incredibily easy to play the game at a casual level. No one needs a parser for that however. Just... push your buttons dude, everyone with eyes can see when your not.

[IdowhatIwant]

There is zero reason to care until they bring the toxicity into the group and that does happen. Yeah, we can report them as another poster mentioned in the previous comment. And then you see those same people still around.

There's a numbers bar for harder content. The bar in casual content is doing the mechanics and working with your teammates. So long as people understand that and don't try to pull content to their personal preferences, then there won't be issues.

All you are doing is stooping down to there level by making it a bigger deal than it needs to be. It's a dungeon who cares.

We've had this argument ad nauseum on these forums before. Why does anyone think they have the right to call someone out who was put together with them into a group by a random matching system? In a situation where content requires that sort of mentality then being able to openly discuss and analyze should be welcomed and encouraged. But in content that doesn't require that mentality, there's no reason to bring it up because the content can be cleared without that mentality.

If someone absolutely must have X experience in roulette, whatever that is, then they have the capability of making a premade for their exacting specifications. Otherwise, there's a certain amount of flexibility that is going to service people the best when they let the system randomly match them with players of varying skill levels and experiences.

There is a difference between, not having experienced the dungeon, and wasting people time. When you are lets say a BLM, that is only spamming blizzard 1 the entire dungeon, you are wasting peoples time. Would you be happy is some one was doing that? You would probably address it. It can be very frustrating when you have people at level 90 that a have absolutely 0 idea on how to play the game. I blame the game for being almost too casual and not teaching people how to play to get through the game as much as I blame the players for not caring to learn to play a class after 90 levels and what I would assume several hundred hours of play time. You can argue this is not dark souls, but if you played dark souls for 300+ hours, I would assume you know how to play the game at least a basic level.

[IdowhatIwant]

Because parsing isn't staying in that content. It's bleeding down into casual content. I've seen people on these forums who say they parse alliance raids and normal raids and dungeons and judge people about it. Wanna parse for someone's own benefit, fine. But there's zero reason to obsess over numbers in casual content. That makes someone less flexible to react to the idiosyncrasies that happen in a given run because they're more focused on tunnel visioning those arbitrary numbers than being a good teammate.

It really isn't though. This is a false narrative by players that likely just do Trust Dungeons with the reasoning being that people will pick on them for there damage. I have rarely seen in a dungeon, first of all people say much beyond o/ and tyfp and especially people ever talk about dps in a party. It simply does not exist to the extent that you are claiming in casual content. Maybe I just pay 0 attention to in game chat cause I just don't care what anyone has to say in game anyways.

[LittleImp]

Unfortunately, MMOs tend to attract a lot of escapist types with severe self-worth issues. Parsing provides a very convenient, mathematical figure by which one can establish a hierarchy, and by extension compare their 'value' to other players.

Parsing high is just one element of what makes someone a good player. There are players ranked in the top 100 of their job that you wouldn't want within 100 miles of a week 1 prog, and that's kind of what Chair is getting at. Parsing high is a skill, but it's just one among many. Someone can grind 300 clears of a fight until they get a clean run where they skew on crit RNG, but that has absolutely no bearing on how consistent they may be or how effective they may be at progging mechanics blind and optimizing on their own.

[KageTokage]

Unfortunately, MMOs tend to attract a lot of escapist types with severe self-worth issues. Parsing provides a very convenient, mathematical figure by which one can establish a hierarchy, and by extension compare their 'value' to other players.

Parsing high is just one element of what makes someone a good player. There are players ranked in the top 100 of their job that you wouldn't want within 100 miles of a week 1 prog, and that's kind of what Chair is getting at. Parsing high is a skill, but it's just one among many. Someone can grind 300 clears of a fight until they get a clean run where they skew on crit RNG, but that has absolutely no bearing on how consistent they may be or how effective they may be at progging mechanics blind and optimizing on their own.

This is why I don't like it.

A lot of players are inevitably as perceived as "worse" then others strictly because their parse colors/numbers aren't as good when mechanical consistency is going to be much more valued in hard content like savage and ultimates then being 1-5% lower then someone else and there is no way for FFLogs to provide an accurate metric of that when people can just cherrypick and upload only clean runs with good RNG.

[Sebazy]

This is why I don't like it.

A lot of players are inevitably as perceived as "worse" then others strictly because their parse colors/numbers aren't as good when mechanical consistency is going to be much more valued in hard content like savage and ultimates then being 1-5% lower then someone else and there is no way for FFLogs to provide an accurate metric of that when people can just cherrypick and upload only clean runs with good RNG.

A group that picks members purely on logs alone isn't a group I've ever needed nor wanted any part of tbh (A good thing as my logs are trash). 'Is the person reliable?', 'Are they able to take the pressure of progression without turning into a massive raging asshat?', 'Will the group have good chemistry to make the grind enjoyable?'. These questions are every bit as important, perhaps even more so.

[BokoToloko]

Parsing your performance isn't an issue. Trying to use FFLogs to harrass and belittle others is, regardless the situation. And it is reportable.

You don't need to tell people they're grey parsers to point out healers who don't dps or people doesn't use AoE in dungeons.

[DezereDawn]

I don't think Parsing is a disease, and even if it were, it would be such a small part of the actual problems with this game it's irrelevant

you wanna know this game's biggest disease? the sheer amount of botting and RMT

[Ashua]

I don't think Parsing is a disease, and even if it were, it would be such a small part of the actual problems with this game it's irrelevant

you wanna know this game's biggest disease? the sheer amount of botting and RMT

Thank you for saying this. Honestly, you don't need to worry about parsers when there are bots out there that automate your class for you. It's so popular and used that if SE were to actually take steps to deal with certain bots about 50-60% of the player base would become stupid in their class all at once. Its been active and going on since 2014 when the game rebooted. Raids? There are add-ons to automation that literally map out the entire fight and guide where to move. Starting a new character? The program can do the entire storyline from level 1 to now automated completely. The entire economy is in shambles for 5+ years. I only play FF 14 for the storyline. House? Not a problem with bots. Even new bots have figured out how to deal with the new bidding system. FF 14 is bottsville. As many bots in the game as players. Just watch the stream of bots coming in Limsa using summoners. Who cares about a parser when you can use a bot and parse with 1% of every top-level player out there. I've lost many many friends because of this issue and short term not banning cheaters and bots may keep the sub up but in the long run it will start the decline of the game. Why play in an MMO when all the other players are NPCs? Oh, wait it's already happening with dungeons. FF 14 is really a social game at this point and now even that aspect is starting to get scrutinized. No serious gamer takes FF 14 seriously for challenging content anymore. Now the Social aspect is starting to suffer so what does that leave FF 14? It may fall faster than WOW did.