FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[Liam_Harper]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

Basically this. For every 1 person who is toxic because of parsing, there are 20 people who rant about how toxic parsers are to the point of obsession.

I personally find logs are good for countering toxicity too. For example someone telling the healers they suck, ranting about "dps healers not healing" when they are, raging at the group for hitting enrage, blaming someone else for their mistake, ranting about how content is too hard ...and it's all their on their log. 0 Mitigation tanking, missing core parts of their rotations, their uptime, exactly what killed who, healing done and so on. You can point out clearly that they're at fault and being toxic towards someone who is at no fault.

Of course in this game highlighting that information is forbidden and you're supposed to grit your teeth and keep quiet when Mr Medica announces in party chat that they had to solo heal when you actually took the bulk of the heals, 4 clutch saves and did 4x their damage. If you do bring it up that someone's logs completely contradict what they're saying and they're at fault, for example on the forums, they immediately switch to "hardcore toxic elitist" rants, which in my opinion is far more toxic behavior because they both hinder their teams and blame other players for it who just want to help and do their best.

Logs are also great for confidence. I'd hate to play without them, because I do care about contributing to the team and it's easy to fall into a mindset of "was that wipe my fault?", "is my damage bad?" and the log will either set your mind at ease, or give you exactly the information you need to improve if you need so it doesn't happen again.

I feel the obsession over parsing being "evil" is just that some players hate when performance is visible. They want to be in their bubble where they can pretend they're doing well, attack someone else for their faults and no one can do a thing about it.

[Fawkes]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

Everyone is affected by it when the devs water down all the jobs so they can have similar parses. There was a huge thread here where somebody posted a bunch of graphs of different jobs DPS and made a huge stink about how the jobs that had slightly less DPS were "dead".

[DivineP]

The thing is, it's suppost to be against the ToS. I've also explained it's a cross gameplay and gives one side an advantage.

Something should be done to break all add-ons.

I love seeing ppl running around dying day one content!

[Saraide]

The thing is, it's suppost to be against the ToS. I've also explained it's a cross gameplay and gives one side an advantage.

Something should be done to break all add-ons.

I love seeing ppl running around dying day one content!

As long as someone in your party uploads the logs it doesnt matter if you are on PS. You still have access to it and can use stuff like xivanalysis to help you look for whatever improvement you want.

[Raoabolic]

The thing is, it's suppost to be against the ToS.

*look at the XIV twitter*
*They are giving props to the first kill of an ultimate fight*
*dps meter right in the screenshot of the kill*
It's the little things that make me laugh, lol.

[LeonKeyh]

*look at the XIV twitter*
*They are giving props to the first kill of an ultimate fight*
*dps meter right in the screenshot of the kill*
It's the little things that make me laugh, lol.

Sure, because they don't care about parsing. They just don't.

It's just much easier to say "ALL 3rd Party programs are against ToS" so that they can toss that on as a reason to ban people who are assholes about it or use anything to cheat.

It's like Jaywalking. Who actually gets in trouble for jaywalking? It's just something to add on to a list of things that you do wrong if you're an idiot and run out in front of a car.

[TaleraRistain]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

Because parsing isn't staying in that content. It's bleeding down into casual content. I've seen people on these forums who say they parse alliance raids and normal raids and dungeons and judge people about it. Wanna parse for someone's own benefit, fine. But there's zero reason to obsess over numbers in casual content. That makes someone less flexible to react to the idiosyncrasies that happen in a given run because they're more focused on tunnel visioning those arbitrary numbers than being a good teammate.

[IdowhatIwant]

Because parsing isn't staying in that content. It's bleeding down into casual content. I've seen people on these forums who say they parse alliance raids and normal raids and dungeons and judge people about it. Wanna parse for someone's own benefit, fine. But there's zero reason to obsess over numbers in casual content. That makes someone less flexible to react to the idiosyncrasies that happen in a given run because they're more focused on tunnel visioning those arbitrary numbers than being a good teammate.

There's 0 reason to obsess over numbers in casual content, and there is 0 reason to care about some one doing it.
All the parsing argument every turns into is a bunch of casual players whining about some one parsing them and saying something, and a bunch of raiders explaining why it is needed. This will always be a endless argument until people simply understand it is a tool to help you gauge your dps, but tools can be used to to bad things as well. Casual players need to get over it move on or if they don't like it learn to play so no one complains anyways. More than likely if they are complaining from the parse your DPS must be pretty bad to where even with out parsing it, it would be noticeable. Raiders need to stop parsing every aspect of the game, how well you did in a dungeon, or 24 man raid does not matter at all, you are not good you are just trying to give yourself an ego trip.

[TaleraRistain]

There's 0 reason to obsess over numbers in casual content, and there is 0 reason to care about some one doing it.
All the parsing argument every turns into is a bunch of casual players whining about some one parsing them and saying something, and a bunch of raiders explaining why it is needed. This will always be a endless argument until people simply understand it is a tool to help you gauge your dps, but tools can be used to to bad things as well. Casual players need to get over it move on or if they don't like it learn to play so no one complains anyways. More than likely if they are complaining from the parse your DPS must be pretty bad to where even with out parsing it, it would be noticeable. Raiders need to stop parsing every aspect of the game, how well you did in a dungeon, or 24 man raid does not matter at all, you are not good you are just trying to give yourself an ego trip.

There is zero reason to care until they bring the toxicity into the group and that does happen. Yeah, we can report them as another poster mentioned in the previous comment. And then you see those same people still around.

There's a numbers bar for harder content. The bar in casual content is doing the mechanics and working with your teammates. So long as people understand that and don't try to pull content to their personal preferences, then there won't be issues.

[Saraide]

Because parsing isn't staying in that content. It's bleeding down into casual content. I've seen people on these forums who say they parse alliance raids and normal raids and dungeons and judge people about it. Wanna parse for someone's own benefit, fine. But there's zero reason to obsess over numbers in casual content. That makes someone less flexible to react to the idiosyncrasies that happen in a given run because they're more focused on tunnel visioning those arbitrary numbers than being a good teammate.

If someone is standing on the street proclaiming the end of the world by invasion of oversized lobsters, do you also take it seriously? There is no reason to take someone seriously if they are unironically talking about alliance raid or expert dungeon logs. It's like holding a giant sign that says "hello please ignore me". That's different however from calling out someone who is clearly not putting even the least bit of effort in to respect the time of people who are grouped up with them even if your regular talesfromDF poster cant tell the difference. But that's a subreddit best ignored anyway. You're better off never looking at it anyway.