FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

I saw a video and Asmogold talked about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fH...el=AsmongoldTV

So is it a disease? I mean if all that these people care about maybe it is?

[KageTokage]

Parses are helpful for self-improvement and easily identifying weak links in a party, but I don't consider them useful for much past that.

There are a lot of people who take unneeded risks for the sake of min-maxing their DPS even if it means potentially killing other players and/or wiping the raid.

FFLogs in general just contributes towards a toxic raiding environment when it places everyone's performance on public display whether they like it or not...and no, hiding your parses is not a solution when the website will just straight up just tell people "This person is hiding their parses" which tends to draw even more negative attention then allowing your unoptimized second-hand parses to be on display. If you could completely ghost yourself with your name totally scrubbed from the website whether you're not signed up or actively choosing to opt out, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Don't get me wrong, I try to bring my best to ANY group I'm in regardless of the activity. I research my rotation and try to notice mistakes and small optimizations that can be made in any given fight, but I'm nonetheless left feeling troubled knowing that I have a permanent performance record anyone can reference at will as it adds an extra layer of stress to my gameplay that would otherwise not exist since people can and will judge you. If there is nothing for them to judge in advance, they would only be able to formulate an opinion of an individual after actually partying with them, which is much how I would prefer things to be. I want to be judged in the moment, not by some performance metric that has no guarantees of even being accurate given the myriad ways it can be skewed (Omission of parses whether deliberately or not actively logging yourself being the most common reasons).

[SenorPatty]

I had a feeling this video was gonna show up on these forums. Didn't know we'd have to go through Asmon's video first to see it >.>

Anywho, the short answer is no. Mishapen's overall point is that some parsers in the parsing community make terrible decisions in raids, all for parse results for the player-created and supported site, FFLOGS.

I could go in details but the video is there to explain all that.

[LianaThorne]

I saw a video and Asmogold talked about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fH...el=AsmongoldTV

So is it a disease? I mean if all that these people care about maybe it is?

It's not all people care about. Outside of savage (and MAYBE extreme) content, it's literally irrelevant and anyone who uses ACT in dungeons to harass people have their own problems.

In terms of savage, there are dps requirements that have to be met in order to clear the fight. Parsing/using ACT in that way is incredibly useful for this so statics can keep track of how close they are to hitting said mark and, if they're far off, who needs to improve to help hit said mark.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

https://youtu.be/zWto97Jv50M here is the original video

[gotaname1]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

[Cheremia]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

Bonus points if they also call you toxic for pointing out that aoe on single target isn't what's supposed to happen and other little tips. Because you're a healer and see the Samurai disengage on bosses all the time and runs back.... and watching people press every button in extistence on cooldown, no matter what it do because they don't know.

Or call you toxic for people to want others to pay attention after 4 wipes in Orbonne.

List goes on... and on...


Not to sound too rude, but i think people against parsers complain about parsers because they can't be bothered to even try in this game because usually, the other 3/7/23 people will carry you through the content....
I do my "best" in any content i play and i legit would not care if some person i run with parses me because it wouldn't affect me at all. Even if they would call me out for something i do wrong. At least i'd know then that what i do is wrong.
I'd like to know how well I do actually, so i dont see the problem in it.

There are just people that want to play the game and do the most damage they can and KNOW how much it is. What's the problem in it? If you get harrased somehow, you can report them, just like you can report people calling you names for trying a little bit in fights/pvp/whatever.

Aka: Mentioning parsers and stuff gets you banned.
But people coming at you with everything and whiteknighting that poor baby that doesnt want to play if they are normally asked things or normally told a tip is... like... something i saw happen a lot more than anything else tbh. Some people are extremely toxic about not wanting to play the game actually that it's pretty insane.

I remember people wanting to kick me after i asked the other whm multipe times to why they are using cure 2 a lot and they told me it's for freecure... even tho cure 2 doesn't procc freecure and freecure is a waste of mp if it doesn't trigger on the first 2 tries.... And also, the whm said i was wrong and that i'm lying. And one whiteknight random person said that this is just casual so who cares if the other whm runs out of mp all the time because they spam cure, just have fun etc.

[LittleImp]

Unfortunately, MMOs tend to attract a lot of escapist types with severe self-worth issues. Parsing provides a very convenient, mathematical figure by which one can establish a hierarchy, and by extension compare their 'value' to other players.

Parsing high is just one element of what makes someone a good player. There are players ranked in the top 100 of their job that you wouldn't want within 100 miles of a week 1 prog, and that's kind of what Chair is getting at. Parsing high is a skill, but it's just one among many. Someone can grind 300 clears of a fight until they get a clean run where they skew on crit RNG, but that has absolutely no bearing on how consistent they may be or how effective they may be at progging mechanics blind and optimizing on their own.

[BokoToloko]

Parsing your performance isn't an issue. Trying to use FFLogs to harrass and belittle others is, regardless the situation. And it is reportable.

You don't need to tell people they're grey parsers to point out healers who don't dps or people doesn't use AoE in dungeons.

[DezereDawn]

I don't think Parsing is a disease, and even if it were, it would be such a small part of the actual problems with this game it's irrelevant

you wanna know this game's biggest disease? the sheer amount of botting and RMT