Do you find the PLD rotation enjoyable?

[Kazimere]

Huge contradiction there. Pld is in world first. PLD does more rDPS. Drk does more personal DPS. Drk DPS is what saved the day and mattered and won them the world first. K.

The rotation is fine in normal play.

Huh? How do you figure Paladin does more rDPS than DRK? It doesn’t even come close.

[Seku]

Huh? How do you figure Paladin does more rDPS than DRK? It doesn’t even come close.

Go back and actually read the entire post that I posted, including the quote.

[ThorneDynasty]

I'm not sure if the devs actually think this way, and if they do, they don't control it very well. Wasn't Paladin consistently 2nd in rankings for most of Stormblood (displacing Dark Knight until, I think, the last tier) and all of Shadowbringers (right behind Gunbreaker)?

Either way, they already boosted PLD so that all tanks are in the same couple percent margin. If they wanted to PLD to be 2nd or 1st DPS they would have boosted it more. The point is you can just bring up the raw potency numbers without touching the rotation, what I was responding to was the false idea PLD is lower DPS because of it's basic loop. That's obviously not true.

Like how difficult is this to understand: You can either buff damage by reworking the entire rotation to align more with party buffs or by boosting the raw potencies - it does not matter which when the end result is that all tanks are balanced in a very slight margin as they have always been. But no, let's homogenize everything until we have 4 WAR clones because they all have to operate the exact same or it's somehow arbitrarily "flawed".

[RayneBoemir]

I don’t mind if I particularly like that there are spells you can instant cast to do damage while moving.

[Martynek]

I think it's hilarious to call Paladin "uninspired" compared to other tanks while post-stormblood Dark Knight still exists.

[ZeraSkiratea]

I mean, the fact that you have to hold a single charge of sword oath because alignments are too spread speaks for itself that paladin is not functioning in its current form.

you only have to hold 1 attonment if you want your routation to be (roughly) 1 minute tbf, thats not a problem with the rotation but with players being obsessed with micro optimizing it to that level

[Absimiliard]

I care less about the atonement charge and more about having to waste 16 seconds of FoF to stay in alignment.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I mean it's a whatever using the -18 second opener at this point (was already a thing back in e8s) just pop FoF 3 seconds before you do a 15second countdown or macro it, easy. In most other content outside of Ex trials, savage and ultimate, -4 second opener works fine.

Should the physical aspect of Paladin's rotation do more to put it on equal footing with it's magic phase? sure, but until they ideally buff Royal Authority and Atonement potency to become worth choosing either or opener depending on a fight, just deal with it.

[DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise]

Nobody should complain about -18 fof, you do it when it’s a damage gain, which means it’s a non-typical fight
-18s purely for alignment is almost certainly a dps loss

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

It's not a damage loss, it's a damage gain in nearly every fight except p3s (-4 second FoF opener), as it allows you to get your big hits under raid buffs, and keeps your rotation in alignment with raid buffs.