Do you find the PLD rotation enjoyable?

[ThorneDynasty]

Why is the lack of the homogenized buff window a failure? It really doesn't matter when Paladin only buffs their own damage and its DPS is balanced with that in mind. It's perfectly fine for a tank (or even a selfish DPS) to not be chained to the same buff windows as long as they are balanced - if you love the 60s burst you can play literally anything else.

[eagledorf]

Why is the lack of the homogenized buff window a failure? It really doesn't matter when Paladin only buffs their own damage and its DPS is balanced with that in mind. It's perfectly fine for a tank (or even a selfish DPS) to not be chained to the same buff windows as long as they are balanced - if you love the 60s burst you can play literally anything else.

The problem is PLD always does less DPS because it doesn't line up with the buff window. The world first DSR clear had their rDPS data showing the PLD way outperformed the DRK, but the DRK still did more DPS (which is what actually matters for clearing) because their rotation aligns with party buffs.

[ThorneDynasty]

The problem is PLD always does less DPS because it doesn't line up with the buff window. The world first DSR clear had their rDPS data showing the PLD way outperformed the DRK, but the DRK still did more DPS (which is what actually matters for clearing) because their rotation aligns with party buffs.

PLD doing less damage isn't a bug in the balancing, it's completely intentional in exchange of the utility. If they reworked the rotation to line up better with the party buffs then the damage would be taxed elsewhere. You are asking for completely arbitrary homogenization when PLD performs perfectly fine (or its damage could be brought up just by potency adjustments if you feel it's too low). It might work fine, yes, but the track record for these type of reworks isn't great and whatever alleged huge issues the buff windows bring are vastly preferable to yet another job butchery.

[eagledorf]

PLD doing less damage isn't a bug in the balancing, it's completely intentional in exchange of the utility. If they reworked the rotation to line up better with the party buffs then the damage would be taxed elsewhere. You are asking for completely arbitrary homogenization when PLD performs perfectly fine (or its damage could be brought up just by potency adjustments if you feel it's too low). It might work fine, yes, but the track record for these type of reworks isn't great and whatever alleged huge issues the buff windows bring are vastly preferable to yet another job butchery.

The problem with this logic, which has been proven every single patch since 3.0, is there are only two outcomes:

Can you survive without PLD? Then take the higher DPS, the utility is useless.

Can you not survive without PLD? The other tanks need to be buffed if content is literally impossible with them.

There is no option where it's not a design flaw. It has never worked no matter how many times SE has tried, they end up always buffing PLD (or WAR in SB).

[Eorzean_username]

PLD doing less damage isn't a bug in the balancing, it's completely intentional in exchange of the utility. If they reworked the rotation to line up better with the party buffs then the damage would be taxed elsewhere.

I'm not sure if the devs actually think this way, and if they do, they don't control it very well. Wasn't Paladin consistently 2nd in rankings for most of Stormblood (displacing Dark Knight until, I think, the last tier) and all of Shadowbringers (right behind Gunbreaker)?

[ThorneDynasty]

I'm not sure if the devs actually think this way, and if they do, they don't control it very well. Wasn't Paladin consistently 2nd in rankings for most of Stormblood (displacing Dark Knight until, I think, the last tier) and all of Shadowbringers (right behind Gunbreaker)?

Either way, they already boosted PLD so that all tanks are in the same couple percent margin. If they wanted to PLD to be 2nd or 1st DPS they would have boosted it more. The point is you can just bring up the raw potency numbers without touching the rotation, what I was responding to was the false idea PLD is lower DPS because of it's basic loop. That's obviously not true.

Like how difficult is this to understand: You can either buff damage by reworking the entire rotation to align more with party buffs or by boosting the raw potencies - it does not matter which when the end result is that all tanks are balanced in a very slight margin as they have always been. But no, let's homogenize everything until we have 4 WAR clones because they all have to operate the exact same or it's somehow arbitrarily "flawed".

[Seku]

The world first DSR clear had their rDPS data showing the PLD way outperformed the DRK, but the DRK still did more DPS (which is what actually matters for clearing) because their rotation aligns with party buffs.

Huge contradiction there. Pld is in world first. PLD does more rDPS. Drk does more personal DPS. Drk DPS is what saved the day and mattered and won them the world first. K.

The rotation is fine in normal play.

[Kazimere]

Huge contradiction there. Pld is in world first. PLD does more rDPS. Drk does more personal DPS. Drk DPS is what saved the day and mattered and won them the world first. K.

The rotation is fine in normal play.

Huh? How do you figure Paladin does more rDPS than DRK? It doesn’t even come close.

[Seku]

Huh? How do you figure Paladin does more rDPS than DRK? It doesn’t even come close.

Go back and actually read the entire post that I posted, including the quote.