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    Chopstix's Avatar
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    Chopstix Maulader
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    Malboro
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    Warrior Lv 90

    Thanks for Warrior buffs I guess?

    Just some quick napkin maths. Pali got 460 potency a minute. Much of it under buffs. Warrior got around 200 effective potency a minute, only 70 of which r under buffs (3 IR fell cleaves).

    Id simply like to point out that the Warrior Upheaval oGCD is now absolutely pathetic. GBR one does like twice as much. Pali one does way more now. DRK has too many other oGCDs to care.

    But here, have that juicy extra 10 potency! Guess now i know how MCHs feel.

    This just feels like a 1 cent tip. Thanks i guess? Im not here to cry how much more Pali got. Hydaelin knows they deserved it, and hosestly still should be getting some more. I just want to point out how little Warrior got when it really really needs more love too.

    Okay Warrior has good dmg during burst windows, i can undestand them not overbuffing it even though i bet DRK GBR just laugh at it. But y not buff all of the 123 by a decent amount?
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Ravana
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    Viper Lv 100
    If they really want WAR to be burst centric then they should put a damage buff on Inner release,
    slowly padding potency isn't gonna do anything it would also be a nice buff to Upheval and Onslaught since they get no benefit from IR anymore.
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    Absurdity's Avatar
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Honestly these patch notes are a complete joke in general. Sure the buffs on warrior make 0 sense and I'm honestly questioning whether or not whoever looked over them and gave their okay to that has any clue on how these jobs even work. But have you seen the buffs for redmage? Or those for Reaper? Machinist maybe? No?

    Instead of fixing the actual problem they just reduced the boss' HP, what an absolute joke.
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    Oizen's Avatar
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Probably because WAR wasn't as far behind as PLD was, and PLD was behind further both in defense and offense
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    GraumSenpai's Avatar
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    Jordyn Starcaller
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    Excalibur
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Probably because WAR wasn't as far behind as PLD was, and PLD was behind further both in defense and offense
    WAR felt pretty cruddy to me this tier. Its mitigations being healing and extra max HP has a lot less value against bleeds. Holmgang is completely useless because you need large burst heals at the very end of it to survive the last tick of the bleeds. Equilibrium for most of the fights isn't up often enough to act as reliable mitigation for the bleed and you need to waste at least 1 GCD on Nascent for its 20% mit so there goes some of the healing. Speaking of Nascent, because of the lack of mits you are required to have it available for every buster in order to make the bleed somewhat tolerable on your healers. I really enjoy the part of WAR that lets you help your healers with spot heals, I find that fun as someone who has been a Healer main most of the time they played this game.

    I feel like a hinderance to my healers instead of a boon to them. And because of that I have moved to DRK. Not because of the DPS but because I actually feel like I'm kind of tanky now. I don't much care for the damage gain (I'm not super great at it so I only gain about 100-200 DPS over my WAR so far), I really just care about the feel of the class. And as a Tank, WAR just isn't feeling good with these bleeds

    uh point in me saying this, while I don't have PLD all the way up and havent used it yet in this savage teir, I do know it has more % mitigations than WAR does and that makes its ability to handle bleeds a bit better. While also sporting pretty similar self healing.
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    Absurdity's Avatar
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GraumSenpai View Post
    uh point in me saying this, while I don't have PLD all the way up and havent used it yet in this savage teir, I do know it has more % mitigations than WAR does and that makes its ability to handle bleeds a bit better. While also sporting pretty similar self healing.
    It actually doesn't, block doesn't even work on damage over time effects and paladin has no equivalent to either equilibrium or thrill of battle so paladin has it just as bad. The difference in these potency buffs is however questionable at best as paladin and warrior weren't that far apart when it comes to dps, they were both just far behind drk and gnb.
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    Jordyn Starcaller
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    Excalibur
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    It actually doesn't, block doesn't even work on damage over time effects and paladin has no equivalent to either equilibrium or thrill of battle so paladin has it just as bad. The difference in these potency buffs is however questionable at best as paladin and warrior weren't that far apart when it comes to dps, they were both just far behind drk and gnb.
    ohh yikes, well I hope both get changes for more raw mitigation if this is the direction they hold for tank busters. Extra HP is worthless and the healing is good but not quite enough to really add up to the same value of mitigation DRK and GNB bring. I would like to see more %mitigation on both or more readily available heals on reduced CDs or something. I really do not like seeing my healers resort to GCD healing me on some busters
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    "However, as extra time was dedicated to testing this battle, the team's overall performance proved to be higher than usual" -Patch 6.21

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    Dingodrole's Avatar
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    Elord O'gnid
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    PLD actually feel more usefull this tier than WAR, as majority of tb are spaced out far enough between each other so that you can get 100 oath for them, being able to protect both tanks for each TBs.
    With the band aid about potencies PLD will recieve, on top of how convinient having a PLD for mitigation is this tier, WAR definitly is behind imo.
    Holmgang is not even an argument possible to say that war is good, since bosses either do a share tb, or split tb : not worth to bother using invuln on these, as it is way better to mitigate them
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dingodrole View Post
    Holmgang is not even an argument possible to say that war is good, since bosses either do a share tb, or split tb : not worth to bother using invuln on these, as it is way better to mitigate them
    You can make an argument for holmgang being pretty useful on chelic synergy since you only have to heal 1 dot instead of 2, but since it's random which one you get...
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    Cassius Rex
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    Louisoix
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    The buffs won't really change anything. Might pad the numbers just a smidge, but the gap between WAR and DRK/GNB will remain fairly significant. It's like handing a flashlight to a blind dude.
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    Last edited by Absimiliard; 09-13-2022 at 04:40 PM.

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