Would you want account progression?

[HollowedDoll]

I started a fresh character in November to replay ARR and HW, and am very glad I did. There's something to be said for experiencing being a brand-newbie without a Gil to your name again.

There's also something to be said for having account-wide things. Here's what I'd like:

1. Minions and mounts
2. Loot. A lot of those Untradable items my retainers bring back on one character would be awfully nice to have as glams on the other.
3. Mail. Being able to mail stuff between characters would be a huge QoL improvement
4. Unlimited mailing of Gil between all characters on a world. Not between worlds, just within the one on which the gold is being mailed.
5. House/Apartment/FC Room tenancy.
6. Mogstation purchases
7. Hairstyles

I'm torn on achievements, leaning towards not, since so many of them are tied to story progression and not just random Grind X of These and similar.

I agree with most of these, though I'm pretty sure they'd never do it for Mogstation purchases for obvious reasons. It'd be really nice if unlockable hairstyles were account wide though, not only could you make new character with them, but also the fact that you can unlock hairstyles that you cannot even use with no warning whatsoever. ( Viera / Hrothgar gang )

[Ayuhra]

(Side note: I think the existing armory bonus -- the chonky XP boost to any job that isn't your highest level one -- is meant to be FFXIV's equivalent to 'faster leveling of alts'.)

DPZ2's post might've been vehement, but it's not irrelevant; parts of this thread have in fact been discussing fairly dramatic changes to existing game systems. (E.g. MSQ progression, how you level jobs, etc.)

I see.

To be clear, since I started the thread:
My stance is it would be nice to have the following account wide:

-Mounts
-Minions
-Triple Triad Cards
-Emotes
-Hairstyles
-Titles (Maybe, I can go either way on this since some titles should only be on the character that earned them)
-Mogstation Purchases (except for Eternal Bond, fantasias, dyes, story skips and level skips)

Quicker leveling on alt characters can already be done if you roll on a server running the Road buff and if that's not fast enough, the option to skip with real money from Mogstation is there. Most games only give major skips for money, the exception being Guild Wars 2 but that game has horizontal progression and leveling is the tutorial so it's really its own thing. Leveling alt JOBS on a main is already doable with the armory bonus. If any skip should be done for alt characters on the same account it should be something like Relic, where they are able to tackle weapons with shorter grinds equivalent to your main's weapons for alt jobs and only if the main has already done everything.

[Tlamila]

See, I'll never get the "you can level all classes on one char so that's your progression".
For me never ever in any game making alts has been about trying different classes. In games that don't make you play more classes on one character, you're not expected to have alts at all, you're only expected to learn one class and stick with that forever and ever. And even there you have at least shared storage and some other things. Notable exceptions are games like BDO and Lost Ark where alts bring benefits, and even there a lot of people just make all their chars of the same class.
In TSW you can also have everythng on a single character, yet you have 3 slots and can buy more, and I had at least 6 characters there. In GW you could also do every spec for one class on a single char, yet many people had multiple chars of the same class, I certainly had 3 rangers and all.

This is a game where we even pay extra from having more than one char, and we do it all cause we like having alts, not because it brings any benefits. As the system is now, playing alts is a huge challenge. Asking for some QoL for something we're already paying an higher sub for is pretty legit. But some of you all are making it sound like we're breaking the spirit of the game by even just liking alts, this kind of heavy response is crazy to be honest. It's almost a "show me on the doll where alts hurt you" situation.

[RobynDaBank]

Why not. Maybe even make it opt-in so that people who want to naturally progress again can just choose not to bring things over.

[Ilisidi]

The thing that I miss most as being it account wide are the hair styles. I have little interest in changing my mains hair style, but there are several hairstyles that would be awesome to start an alt with.

[Droxybrobotnik]

I feel like there is no need since one character can be everything and ng+ exists.
That said, I guess there is no reason not to, other than if they have the time to add it or not.

[Vryn]

Other MMOs don't allow you to play multiple classes on a single character. The ability to full level within a few hours of efficient grind is fairly new for WoW. How do I know? I played the game for 10 years, and had an alt for each class, both Alliance and Horde side. I know how long it used to take 14 years after the initial release of that game. It wasn't a 'few hours.



Instead of wanting to turn this game into some other game you like, accept it for what it is. This is one of a very few MMOs where PC and Console users share worlds. Perhaps we should wait for those other games to get to that point before we demand this one be like them.

Yes, they do. Other MMOs have specialisations which are classes within classes. Wow, gets 2-4 depending on class, same with Gw2 and SWTOR. Other MMOs also have talents. The ability to change class on one character isn't that unique. Square can balance the classes because they aren't that different mechanically, especially if it's a healer or a tank. Most are the same role with different gimic. There is a more significant difference between a demonology warlock and an Affliction warlock in WoW than any healer in FF14. The same could be said of tanks.

We do not want to turn it into another game. We want the game to improve the trend of accessibility and to allow others to maximise the fun out of FF14 because we want to play more of FF14. Also, FF14 was not created in a vacuum. It took massive amounts of inspiration from other MMOs, so there is no reason it should not do the same now.

In WoW classic, you could reach max level in a few hrs, especially if you got a mage. Unfortunately, you just weren't that good.

Also, most MMOs today are on console, and most games are massively multiplayer.

So no, Im not going to accept the game for what it is. I will not obey and consume the product for Square.

[Minarisweet]

I used to say atleast allow mounts and costumes you pay for for all characters because of wanting to play in different dcs but with dc travel coming I don't see any issues with how it works rn, since all can be done in a single character and you will be able to play anywhere in your region with a single character.

[GeminiReed]

but once again.. you dont need alts..

Who are you to decide for somebody else what they need? I need alts otherwise I get bored.

I made the mistake of chasing the Amaro on my combat main. Once I was done leveling what did I have to look forward to? EX & Savage progression with my static that ate my weekend evenings until I burnt out and roulettes that weren't worth running. I did everything that I was even remotely interested in. Took me about three weeks to decorate her house but it's done and I have no desire to change it.

are you really going to throw away 7+ years of progression on a character to play an alt once DC travel is a thing?

It's only thrown away if you delete the character. We still have minimal details on what DC travel will involve. For instance they may not allow MB trades.

I sure wont.

Yay? If that makes you happy it doesn't affect me in any way. So why are you trying to convince other people they're wrong for not playing they way you want them to?

[GeminiReed]

(Side note: I think the existing armory bonus -- the chonky XP boost to any job that isn't your highest level one -- is meant to be FFXIV's equivalent to 'faster leveling of alts'.)

It's only chonky for kill XP. Compared to MSQ quest XP it's rather anemic which is one of the reasons why running dungeons outside of leveling roulette feels like a slog IMO.