6.1 Warrior Feedback

[fulminating]

After having some time to play with and get used to the Warrior changes I have some feedback.

Fell cleave/decimate stacks - A good change, if a slightly depressing indication that the fell cleave gauge is going to continue to replace the beast gauge.

Inner strength - A really good change while under the stack-based inner release system. Susano's stun still ignores this, but it is what it is.

Overpower - This change is what has prompted me to create a forum account. While technically a QoL change, generally QoL make the job feel and/or play better. This does neither. Circular overpower feels unwieldy in dungeons and the animation does not accurately indicate where the aoe will fall. Please revert this abomination. I absolutely loathe the new version, it has completely killed my enjoyment of tanking dungeons.

Thank you for your time.

P.S. If SAM is being lumped with guaranteed crits, would it be at all possible to remove them from inner release in exchange for a flat damage boost?

[Chopstix]

No. Circle AOE is a good thing. It has nothing to do with braindead. The change keeps the aoe pattern the same.

If everything was conal then sure the one circle aoe would be best to be changed to a conal. But it is the other way around.

In practice u have a lot more surface area u can hit now = more dps. Bigger shiny numbers, be happy.

[fulminating]

No. Circle AOE is a good thing. It has nothing to do with braindead. The change keeps the aoe pattern the same.

If everything was conal then sure the one circle aoe would be best to be changed to a conal. But it is the other way around.

In practice u have a lot more surface area u can hit now = more dps. Bigger shiny numbers, be happy.

Absolutely not. The increase in surface area is in an exceptionally unhelpful place - surely you wouldn't support dragon's voice style tank aoes? After all they have a far greater area covered than regular circles.
The change has been dire from the perspectives of both tanking and dpsing, as now not only am I actively encouraged to point half the mobs at the party, but I don't have a window where I can step out of the mob aoes and continue damaging to take pressure off the healer. As a DPS it is significantly harder to hit the mobs because there's incentive against the tank properly shepherding them. It is much harder to hit linear aoes with the more spread mob grouping, it is also harder to hit circle-on-target aoes when the mobs are here there and everywhere. A temporary solution to the circle-on-target aoes would be allowing DPS to target the tank with them, but that is a fix on the order of whatever it is they're doing to high jump/mirage dive.

25π y² is not much bigger than 64π/3 y² either.

It also no longer requires a target which is means that casting it is no longer guaranteed to hit anything.

[Shurrikhan]

Absolutely not. The increase in surface area is in an exceptionally unhelpful place.

Hey, guys. Get this. We can learn from this and apply a solution also... to Dragoon's AoE combo. It definitely needs it, after all.

See, at present, those AoE combos are about 5 yalms wide and 10 yalms long. They're rectangles, starting from the player.

But get this, we can take half that range, and put it BEHIND us instead.

If I've not sold you on my brilliance yet, give me just a moment more. See, we can also trim the corners (top-right, top-left, back-right, back-left) off and move them to the sides, where they give us more reach to things not less directly in front of us (or directly behind us, now, either). And then we can take the new corners and do the same to them!

And if we do that enough times? We get, yep, a circle. And circles are inherently better, even if they cost you half your range.


/s

[Kabooa]

But get this, we can take half that range, and put it BEHIND us instead.

So I can have Eventide?

[Shurrikhan]

So I can have Eventide?

Yeah, but 5 yalms each way, instead of 30. Because AoEing 5-yalm radius 360 degree around you is ALWAYS more helpful than just AoEing a 10-by-5-yalm rectangle in front of you.

...Right?



Edit: Apparently I have to mark each and every such post for sarcasm?

[marelooke]

If everything was conal then sure the one circle aoe would be best to be changed to a conal. But it is the other way around.

Your other points have already been addressed in the other threads about this change, so I'll focus on this.

Why do you feel making everything the same is in any way, shape, or form, a good thing? Warrior actually played differently from other tanks in dungeons, if nothing else it provided variation, and a rather different dungeon tanking style that many liked.

Now all tanks are the same when it comes to AoE, those that liked the different tanking style Warrior provided are just hung out to dry, for no good reason, while those that weren't able to adapt and leverage Warrior's AoE already had three jobs to choose from.

[fulminating]

I don't particularly know if this will help visualise the difference, but I made this illustrative picture using blue mage spells with the same size AoEs: https://i.imgur.com/HBB09pf.png

Bad Breath doesn't have a very defined edge, but it should be clear enough hopefully.

[Amenara]

I miss the QOL of having a cone aoe with longer range, made it better to tank dungeons IMO.

I agree with wanting Inner Release to be a straight up damage boost instead of DH/Crits, mainly so I can gear all my tanks the same instead of having to gear for WAR and deal with it when I want to play DRK or PLD.

[Kazimere]

No, warrior doesn’t play any differently. You just run through a pack and throw out an un comboed Surging Tempest.