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    Xenon_S's Avatar
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    Xenon Shinkiro
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    Gilgamesh
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    Ninja Lv 90

    The unsurprising absence of Samurai from top DSR ultimate prog teams

    Data taken from FFlogs world race page at May 3rd, 5:30PM PST

    Out of the top 20 progressed teams that are logged, the DPS selection is as follows

    RDM:16 SMN:6 BLM:1
    BRD:10 DNC:9 MCH:1
    MNK:15 DRG:12 NIN:8 RPR:2 SAM:0


    This is not to say that SAM is not capable of clearing the latest ultimate.

    But it is quite telling that something must be influencing the players' decisions to not play SAM.

    For BLM, it is mostly accepted that they are simply a more difficult job to play for prog.
    For MCH, their DPS is still undertuned compared to the other phys ranged and offers little utilities of note. Not to mention their damage profile is reliant on GCD-generated resources that suffers a bit from the ultimate fight design.
    For RPR, their damage ceiling is comparatively lower than the other melees, and they have a similar GCD resource conundrum as with MCH.

    But I definitely couldn't point to what issues SAM could possibly be having right now, not a single thing at all. /s
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    Yuki Bajhiri
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    Samurai Lv 90
    I also count 15 Scholars.

    Unsurprising that those 15 SCH and 12 DRG, and even the 10 BRD, wouldn't want a SAM in the group. At least the DNC has a choice of who gets their crit buff.

    I'm surprised there's not more NIN, given how well they're performing.
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    Nishi Il
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    Can't wait for SE to see this data and realize they need to buff Kasha and Gekko by 10 potency.
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    Qoo Er
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by cjbeagle View Post
    Can't wait for SE to see this data and realize they need to buff Kasha and Gekko by 10 potency.
    youre too generous. theyll buff mangetsu and increase the duration of third eye to 5 seconds.
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    Dal S'ta
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    Bard Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by cjbeagle View Post
    Can't wait for SE to see this data and realize they need to buff Kasha and Gekko by 10 potency.
    Self reported runs via a third-party application are not going to been seen by SE.

    Since SE has access to actual in-game data, and there are more than 20 groups actively participating, I expect them to make their assessments on actual fact, rather than conjecture.
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    Jinn Goda
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    Twintania
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    Marauder Lv 41
    Quote Originally Posted by YukiB View Post
    I'm surprised there's not more NIN, given how well they're performing.
    Same thing as Samurai, but nowhere near as bad. It just doesn't feel as good to play anymore.
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    Gin'ei Mikazuki
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    Don't give them any ideas now. I just hope this is a good enough indicator that they messed up bad this time around.
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    Akali Kurai
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    Samurai Lv 90
    SCH, DRG, BRD, DNC. Four classes that buff crit, and SAM nowhere to be seen. If people unsubbing wasn't a clear indicator that these changes ruined the class, then surely such data would.

    At least that's the hope. Not to mention that the pitiable 'buffs' we got in 6.11 was a kneejerk reaction to a meme rotation keeping up with whatever projected numbers they had.
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ShanaShirayuki View Post
    SCH, DRG, BRD, DNC. Four classes that buff crit, and SAM nowhere to be seen. If people unsubbing wasn't a clear indicator that these changes ruined the class, then surely such data would.

    At least that's the hope. Not to mention that the pitiable 'buffs' we got in 6.11 was a kneejerk reaction to a meme rotation keeping up with whatever projected numbers they had.
    They "buffed" because some random dev remembered that SAM bana lasts 1 minute but they have constant transition mechanics in DSR where you hit boss for like 20 seconds making ability worthless.

    Quote Originally Posted by cjbeagle View Post
    Can't wait for SE to see this data and realize they need to buff Kasha and Gekko by 10 potency.
    They will get -100 potency and become auto crit like Senei (it's a spoiler for next patch sorry)
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    Ralt Hava
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Imagine them doubling down on the samn changes and then give more classes auto-crit attacks.. wasnt dragoon and ast next?
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