Rescue needs to go away.

[Jaquan]

Provoke generates a ton of enemity while shirk only transfers 25% of it, a tank won't lose aggro of something by shirking, that's why during a tank swap you NEED a Provoke but Shirk is optional. And it's very easy to avoid being killed by shirk shenanigans if you pay attention to what the tank is doing... And it's kinda jarring when anybody is standing here doing nothing.

You could at least pretend to read what he wrote. He's not talking about Tank using shirk in the middle of fight but literally pulling with single target hir, Shirking and staying down without further attacking the mobs which would make them go after party if they started attacking.

[ZedxKayn]

You could at least pretend to read what he wrote. He's not talking about Tank using shirk in the middle of fight but literally pulling with single target hir, Shirking and staying down without further attacking the mobs which would make them go after party if they started attacking.

I did read and he wrote voke + "in the middle of a pull", which implies already a fair amount of aggro generated.

Oh, I have seen the same people advocating for a decently safe playstyle but being against Rescue.
But feel free to keep ignoring everything else I said because of that.

And my own anecdotal evidence is that the people I know who despise rescue also wouldn't advocate for vercure or clemency outside of downtime or extreme situations. Go generalizations!

[Jaquan]

I did read and he wrote voke + "in the middle of a pull", which implies already a fair amount of aggro generated.



And my own anecdotal evidence is that the people I know who despise rescue also wouldn't advocate for vercure or clemency outside of downtime or extreme situations. Go generalizations!

Point taken. Although I'm not sure how hard would it be to beat 75% of tank's aggro should they decide to forgo maintaining it during the fight. Speaking of provoke as well... I'm pretty sure it doesn't generate actuall aggro rather than just putting you temporarily on top which is why during tank swaps an offtank needs to start slapping the boss like no tomorrow as otherwise it'll start playing with the other members of the party.

[ZedxKayn]

Point taken. Although I'm not sure how hard would it be to beat 75% of tank's aggro should they decide to forgo maintaining it during the fight. Speaking of provoke as well... I'm pretty sure it doesn't generate actuall aggro rather than just putting you temporarily on top which is why during tank swaps an offtank needs to start slapping the boss like no tomorrow as otherwise it'll start playing with the other members of the party.

Provoke used to merely put the user at the top of the list but not anymore, idr the exact number but on top of putting the tank at the top it also generates a crazy amount of enimity. Something you'd have to afk for a while to have a dps/healer steal it from you.

[Jaquan]

Provoke used to merely put the user at the top of the list but not anymore, idr the exact number but on top of putting the tank at the top it also generates a crazy amount of enimity. Something you'd have to afk for a while to have a dps/healer steal it from you.

Oh. Wasn't aware of that. Thank you for clarifying that. Guess I mistakenly found an old guide...

[LeonKeyh]

Provoke used to merely put the user at the top of the list but not anymore, idr the exact number but on top of putting the tank at the top it also generates a crazy amount of enimity. Something you'd have to afk for a while to have a dps/healer steal it from you.

Is it "a crazy amount"? I know that it used to just be Current top +1, but thought it was changed to something akin to 2000 potency (in addition to moving you to the top), which would be 20,000 damage to take back if they just used that. Certainly isn't "nothing", but I just want to understand if that changed.