Rescue needs to go away.

[Packetdancer]

Some may abuse rescue, other may just have poor timing, but couldn't the same be said for Shirk?

To be fair, it is exceptionally difficult (albeit not impossible) to troll with Shirk now given how bonkers tank aggro is.

If this were still the bygone era of aggro management being a thing... then yes, actually, I do think if a toggle for "make myself immune to Rescue" were added to character settings, there absolutely would be justification for "make myself immune to Shirk" as well. But anything else aside—and despite my plainly evident belief that Rescue is useful—I don't think they're equivalent situations any longer, because if you do want to troll using Rescue, it is certainly easier to do so than with Shirk given present-day aggro mechanics.

I personally have seen Rescue used to troll very, very rarely that I can recall; far less than I've seen it used correctly. However, I also grant that since, as a healer main, I'm a healer in like a solid... ~68% or whatever of all content I run, my sample size may be skewed; much content only has one healer, and if that healer is me, there is perhaps less opportunity for such trolling to be witnessed by me since, y'know, I'm not going to use it to troll.

(Though I do suspect that if people tallied it up, though, they'd find there are fewer instances of trolling than they think. Not because they're exaggerating or deliberately overstating it, but because humans are extremely bad with regards to perceived frequency of something being remotely the same as the actual frequency; there are a lot of studies that demonstrate this.)

However, whether or not the actual frequency of trolling with Rescue is as high as some perceive it to be, I do think it is fairly indisputable that Rescue has more potential for trolling than many abilities do.

And I suspect that most of us in this thread can agree on that one point, even if nothing else. (Including possibly the color of the sky.)

[whitemoonflower]

To be fair, it is exceptionally difficult (albeit not impossible) to troll with Shirk now given how bonkers tank aggro is.

If this were still the bygone era of aggro management being a thing... then yes, actually, I do think if a toggle for "make myself immune to Rescue" were added to character settings, there absolutely would be justification for "make myself immune to Shirk" as well. But anything else aside—and despite my plainly evident belief that Rescue is useful—I don't think they're equivalent situations any longer, because if you do want to troll using Rescue, it is certainly easier to do so than with Shirk given present-day aggro mechanics.

I understand where you're coming from, but I was only comparing the potential to be misused. Just as someone can Rescue a person into chaos, Shirk can be used spitefully. It might not happen as often, but the potential remains. Completely removing either ability would still be excessive.

I personally have seen Rescue used to troll very, very rarely that I can recall; far less than I've seen it used correctly. However, I also grant that since, as a healer main, I'm a healer in like a solid... ~68% or whatever of all content I run, my sample size may be skewed; much content only has one healer, and if that healer is me, there is perhaps less opportunity for such trolling to be witnessed by me since, y'know, I'm not going to use it to troll.

(Though I do suspect that if people tallied it up, though, they'd find there are fewer instances of trolling than they think. Not because they're exaggerating or deliberately overstating it, but because humans are extremely bad with regards to perceived frequency of something being remotely the same as the actual frequency; there are a lot of studies that demonstrate this.)

However, whether or not the actual frequency of trolling with Rescue is as high as some perceive it to be, I do think it is fairly indisputable that Rescue has more potential for trolling than many abilities do.

And I suspect that most of us in this thread can agree on that one point, even if nothing else. (Including possibly the color of the sky.)

I can't recall an incident where it wasn't people who knew each other messing around. Failed Rescue attempts (and even some successful ones) may be perceived differently than originally intended, but I still don't believe the answer is to remove Recue or "opt in/out" of it.