Thread: SGE Changes for 6.2

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Unpopular opinion but honestly I'm not a fan of the healer lv86 abilities. Exaltation is good, but overall they're just unnecessary filler for the sake of pretending to give healers more buttons. They're probably on the weaker side on purpose because we don't really need more single target heal, especially with tanks getting some ridiculous free mitigation/heal on 25s cooldowns. Sure, you can find a use for them sometimes, but you wouldn't really miss them either if you had to play without them

Eye for an Eye was like the level 86 skills but was also in a time when Tanks didn't have ridiculously powerful Mitigation tools that invalidated it and that's really the problem with them, the time for them to shine passed before they even had a chance. Maybe if we unlocked them at around level 15 or so, the skills would at least be useful for low level content but at level 86? It's just meaningless fluff that only shines when you get no mitigation tanks or to try and save someone that has collected 1 too many vuln stacks and that's really it. Eye for an Eye at least had some synergy with SCH because you could D.Tactics it to everyone but none of the level 86 skills have any such synergy with their class and is just another flop in healer design.

I don't like Zoe but appreciate it's usefulness as a combo with Pneuma and your shields.

Soteria just needs something else. I was thinking of reworking it similar to Macrocosmos. Instead of healing your team based on the amount of damage they take, you can heal your team based on the damage you deal within the duration.

Originally Posted by krislox

I don't like Zoe but appreciate it's usefulness as a combo with Pneuma and your shields.

Soteria just needs something else. I was thinking of reworking it similar to Macrocosmos. Instead of healing your team based on the amount of damage they take, you can heal your team based on the damage you deal within the duration.

The biggest problem I have with Zoe as a separate button is that it largely exists to exclusively compliment Pneuma and nothing else. That's not a perfectly true statement as there are moments where Zoe + E. Prognosis gets used. I use it at the start of a fight if my partner isn't a Scholar and also use it going into the add phase of P3S, but Sage just doesn't have GCD heals worth using 90% of the time, so I feel like Zoe's not that great of a tool unlike Kaiten which had much more flexibility as a singular buff especially now that it also worked with Ogi Namikiri. You used it always for certain actions, but because you had to manage a resource to use it, it was something you had to keep in mind, even if it was relatively easy to do so. A minor amount of flexibility would be lost by removing Zoe and just increasing Pneuma's heal potency to 900, but it would realistically not change much about Sage's gameplay at all.

That's not to say that the best solution is to cut it, but rather, what can we do to make it less of a binary button?

Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Maybe if we unlocked them at around level 15 or so, the skills would at least be useful for low level content but at level 86? It's just meaningless fluff that only shines when you get no mitigation tanks or to try and save someone that has collected 1 too many vuln stacks and that's really it. Eye for an Eye at least had some synergy with SCH because you could D.Tactics it to everyone but none of the level 86 skills have any such synergy with their class and is just another flop in healer design.

I think what gets me is that it could have been a slot for another dps action. One action is hardly a fix of course, but it'd be something and 86 is quite late to unlock so SE don't have to panic over new players brains exploding.

Instead we got single target filler healing fluff to add to our bloated heal kits that's basically irrelevant when they made tanks semi-indestructible. Such a waste of an ability slot.

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I think what gets me is that it could have been a slot for another dps action. One action is hardly a fix of course, but it'd be something and 86 is quite late to unlock so SE don't have to panic over new players brains exploding.

Instead we got single target filler healing fluff to add to our bloated heal kits that's basically irrelevant when they made tanks semi-indestructible. Such a waste of an ability slot.

Even if the level 86 skills didn't exist as skill, we still wouldn't have gotten any DPS skills. They doubled down on the shit gameplay design that was ShB healers so the likelihood of them actually giving Healers more DPS options is about as likely as world peace.

Originally Posted by ty_taurus

That's not to say that the best solution is to cut it, but rather, what can we do to make it less of a binary button?

make zoe affect any healing action? perhaps it could even double the damage reduction of kera/holos

More ways to generate Addersting, preferably ways that don't cost GCD heals, because Toxikon is not built to be a GCD-heal-refund like Afflatus Misery, it's Ruin II, a movement/weave tool. Perhaps Phlegma generates 1 Addersting every time it's used to form a sort of loose combo system.
New skill: Eukrasian Toxikon, potency changed to 450 and 75% less for remaining enemies. The rationale here is Toxikon is a dps neutral movement/weaving tool, but if you Eukrasia it, you spend your weave window for additional damage, like sticking an Energy Drain in there.