job balancing discussion (1.22a-hotfix)

[Hyrist]

*ahem* To review for the slow ones out there:

Right because BLM totally got nerfed with BRD, your logic is flawless.

I see no room for misinterpertation, even including sacrasim.

You're making the assumption for the person you quoted that BLM must get 'nerfed' directly like 'Barcher' did.

In which case I told you to check your reading comprehension because BLM's performance advantage over other jobs did get a nerf when the bottom bar on Melee got distinctively raised.

There are two ways to nerf a class advantage.

You either take the job down a notch, or you raise the base performance of its competition.
The latter just happened for BLM.

I'm sorry, but the comprehension failure is on your part.

[Dzian]

*ahem* To review for the slow ones out there:


I see no room for misinterpertation, even including sacrasim.

You're making the assumption for the person you quoted that BLM must get 'nerfed' directly like 'Barcher' did.

In which case I told you to check your reading comprehension because BLM's performance advantage over other jobs did get a nerf when the bottom bar on Melee got distinctively raised.

There are two ways to nerf a class advantage.

You either take the job down a notch, or you raise the base performance of its competition.
The latter just happened for BLM.

I'm sorry, but the comprehension failure is on your part.

So they nerfed bard which at best managed to be on par with the bar other dd jobs set so now it falls clearly under the bar. then they gave all those other dd jobs a boost which in turn raises the bar even more trying to make it closer to blms but increasing the gap even further between other dds and arc/brd...

by nature ranged damage dealers such as archers rangers should be quite high on the damage dealing ability thats kinda what justifies the expense in playing them. you could argue that the expense is for the safety of range but that doesnt ring true for blackmage now does it?

one would almost think it was the brds that were the ones killing garuda before the ariel blast.........

[Hyrist]

So they nerfed bard which at best managed to be on par with the bar other dd jobs set so now it falls clearly under the bar. then they gave all those other dd jobs a boost which in turn raises the bar even more trying to make it closer to blms but increasing the gap even further between other dds and arc/brd...

by nature ranged damage dealers such as archers rangers should be quite high on the damage dealing ability thats kinda what justifies the expense in playing them. you could argue that the expense is for the safety of range but that doesnt ring true for blackmage now does it?

one would almost think it was the brds that were the ones killing garuda before the ariel blast.........

Here's the problem with that logic - you're assuming Archer has no other worthile functions besides damage.

This flatly isn't true. Their unique support functions alone solidify their position and the fact that having two insures both buffs being used encourages stacking - something that should NOT be encouraged at all.

Adding 'On par' Damage functions on top of that, and you've a class that's silently OP.

The payment for arrows (And please, cry to me about your arrow costs, when I can pay 4-6k a piece for my top tier javlins. And yes, I use them. They make all the difference in a pinch.) is the cost for your relatively safe damage.

IMO Bards should not be contenders for 'on par' damage. They should be on a tier slightly below, as they offer more to damage than just their own performance. Unless of course, you want to take a "Cleric's Stance" approach to all this.

[Scherwiz]

*ahem* To review for the slow ones out there:


I see no room for misinterpertation, even including sacrasim.

You're making the assumption for the person you quoted that BLM must get 'nerfed' directly like 'Barcher' did.

In which case I told you to check your reading comprehension because BLM's performance advantage over other jobs did get a nerf when the bottom bar on Melee got distinctively raised.

There are two ways to nerf a class advantage.

You either take the job down a notch, or you raise the base performance of its competition.
The latter just happened for BLM.

I'm sorry, but the comprehension failure is on your part.

Nope, pretty sure it is still on you, but nice try. Please continue to spew paragraphs at me if it makes you feel better though.

[Zyph]

Nope, pretty sure it is still on you, but nice try. Please continue to spew paragraphs at me if it makes you feel better though.

I'm siding with Hyrist on this, you are wrong.

[Madruk]

You can't design single target classes over AoE ones when the majority of the content entails masses of mobs. I guess it will take them a year to realize that as usual.

Give paladin a pulse aoe or at least give it back circle slash.

[KyuubiStrife]

Ohhh Lancers are losing their accuracy reduction on some abilities i like this change =D!

[Skies]

I am actually sad we're looking accuracy reduction on Chaos Thrust. Amusingly enough I liked missing with a couple of hits on that. It basically allowed me to follow it up with Feint and combo that into Disembowel, making an otherwise 3-hit combo into a 5-hit combo, even if I lost up to half the damage on Chaos Thrust.

[Hyrist]

I am actually sad we're looking accuracy reduction on Chaos Thrust. Amusingly enough I liked missing with a couple of hits on that. It basically allowed me to follow it up with Feint and combo that into Disembowel, making an otherwise 3-hit combo into a 5-hit combo, even if I lost up to half the damage on Chaos Thrust.

With higher monsters still packing impressive evasion, and the possible fix done on Critical Attack bonuses, I don't think you'll have to worry about potential misses being eliminated. Your build will likely change slightly to compensate for the possibility for more damage, likely shaving a tad of excess accuracy in the process and perhaps leaving that window of opportunity open.

We'll have to see how it all plays out when the numbers get re-crunched.

[Holy_Dragoon]

Skies, good call, I also enjoyed doing the same.