job balancing discussion (1.22a-hotfix)

[Hyrist]

2 things:- 1 if i was crying about arrow cost i wouldnt play the class.

2: like the guy below you i levelled archer to be a dd class... and in se's logic of trying to make classes viable alongside jobs one would assume that if i wanted to be pure dd i could simply roll effectively as an archer and say screw bard. but waittttttttt the nerf kills an archers damage dealing to and an archer offers no buffs to the party as such. thus without bard songs an archer offers nothing.

without the lightshot spam between skills an archers damage falls a long way short of almost every dd class/job in the game
so the very first line of what you said is wrong bacause an archer as no other worthwhile functions other than its damage

You're exadurating your nerf desprately.

If all you want to do is be a ranged DD, don't switch to Bard. Archer gains more damage functions as its class than it gains damage abilities as it's job, Bard. If your Linkshell isn't cool with it, find another linkshell. There are 8 party slots and 7 classes/jobs.

Otherwise, Cry more that you can't weave faster than a Melee Job. Every single one of our skills delay our melee attacks, while yours was left untouched, safe at a distance, with support functions to boot. You're not suffering any more of a loss than what every other damage class in the game has to suffer with and you're over-blowing the impact on your damage because you want vindication for your hurt feelings.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for that sort of whining.

You have damage at range. You do not need clear line of sight in many cases, you do not get impeded by pathing barriers (small, impassible ledges) and you do already have an insured party slot, regardless of your feelings about being a Bard. You will still have good damage against enemies after this patch, as what you lost is also offset by the critical attack changes, and the fact that your main statistic is dexterity.

Honestly, you don't have problems, don't try to make it like this balance tweak made one for you.

Anything below the mythical 5% is going to turn them into second class citizens.

When their popularity dips below Dragoon, we can talk. But I warn you, that'll never happen.
"Princess Mentality." Will likely make a return regardless, because they again circumvent MP balancing issues. Making a mountain out of a molehill like this is the least of the worries. These guys are no-risk Corsairs - they shouldn't be able to match DPS with a dedicated DD job in any circumstance outside dropping their job's benefits for more Damage-orientating skills, and then, they can go ahead and compete for party slot like every other DD.

It's impossible for them to be regulated to "Song-Whore" given the game's and the jobs base mechanics.

[DannyPhantom]

You're exadurating your nerf desprately.

If all you want to do is be a ranged DD, don't switch to Bard. Archer gains more damage functions as its class than it gains damage abilities as it's job, Bard. If your Linkshell isn't cool with it, find another linkshell. There are 8 party slots and 7 classes/jobs.

Otherwise, Cry more that you can't weave faster than a Melee Job. Every single one of our skills delay our melee attacks, while yours was left untouched, safe at a distance, with support functions to boot. You're not suffering any more of a loss than what every other damage class in the game has to suffer with and you're over-blowing the impact on your damage because you want vindication for your hurt feelings.

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for that sort of whining.

You have damage at range. You do not need clear line of sight in many cases, you do not get impeded by pathing barriers (small, impassible ledges) and you do already have an insured party slot, regardless of your feelings about being a Bard. You will still have good damage against enemies after this patch, as what you lost is also offset by the critical attack changes, and the fact that your main statistic is dexterity.

Honestly, you don't have problems, don't try to make it like this balance tweak made one for you.

People like this make baby jesus cry.

[Zyph]

You're exadurating your nerf desprately.

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Honestly, you don't have problems, don't try to make it like this balance tweak made one for you.

Hyrist, you're my favorite person on the forums today.

[Duelle]

When their popularity dips below Dragoon, we can talk. But I warn you, that'll never happen.

Considering I've seen as many BRDs as I've seen Dragoons, we'll see how this affects the trends.

"Princess Mentality" Will likely make a return regardless, because they again circumvent MP balancing issues.

Right, but doing something that might discourage people from playing the job related to MP regen is a stupid idea that negatively affects dynamics between players. Maybe if MP had been drastically changed, then BRD nerfed could I possibly be more receptive to the way things were handled.

I can admit BRD at least is doing something instead of running around spamming songs with no actual contributions to combat like in FFXI, but I'm not exactly comfortable with this direction. Mind you, I don't play BRD, but I do play a job that's sadly dependent on them (GLA/PLD), so anything that might make less people want to play BRD is a very bad thing.

These guys are no-risk Corsairs - they shouldn't be able to match DPS with a dedicated DD job in any circumstance outside dropping their job's benefits for more Damage-orientating skills, and then, they can go ahead and compete for party slot like every other DD.

The damage is the hook. You weaken or remove the hook and things get ugly.