Let's stop using personal experiences to make blanket statements about PvP

[YukikoKurosawa]

So a recurring theme here is that if you manage to Rank up to Crystal very swiftly that must mean you're a very good player. Conversely, the belief is that if you are stumped, regardless of how high up you are, you are a poor player, or it's at the very least an idicator that you are not competent enough to move up further. Allow me to completely break this entire argument down, an argument that ignores various factors (the most obvious being random matchmaking) that can impact even the greatest player's ability to move up. There's a habit of people who only see through the lens of their own experiences and assume because they managed to rank up fast they are a god-gamer and anyone who can't do the same must just suck. So let's break this down.

So obviously, if you're a good player, you are more likely to win. You are an objectively postive addition to your team. You tip the match in your team's favor. Cool, nobody is going to argue against that. However, this is not a duel, a battle between 2 players. CC is a 5v5 battle. Even being a the best you player alive, you still have to account not only for the 4 other teammates (whom you have zero control over), you also have to account for the number of the enemy team.

A teammate could be extremely bad, the kind of bad that can't use their defensives, flask at appropriate times, and ignores objectives.

A teammate could deliberately throw the match for one reason or another (maybe they're just a quitter who wants to get it over with and are sabotaging their own team)

A teammate could suddenly drop, leaving you outnumbered. (And yes I understand these issues could happen to the enemy team).

See there are a lot of things outside of your control, not just the matchmaking itself. You really can't do anything besides be the best player you can be, outside of that, you are still reliant on your own team. You cannot reasonably carry 4 other players. It's not impossible. I've done it, but it's borderline impossible to drag 4 other players who aren't playing optimally or deliberately throwing a match.

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[YukikoKurosawa]

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Most of the people trying to dismiss complaints about RNG, throwing, cheating, etc., are people who managed to rank up very fast and easily. They think they are extremely good players and look down on people stumped. The thing its, it's not actually very impressive at all to reach Crystal. While obviously a Crystal player is more likely to be skilled than a Bronze, that's all it means. There are good players stuck in Silver, and extremely bad players in Diamond tier. Anyone who's played in the higher tiers will know the Rankings are just about totally meaningless as an indicator of skill. It ultimately boils down to luck on various factors. It's even LESS impressive to hit Crystal because of Win Streaks. It may take 15 stars to go from Diamond to Crystal, however if you get lucky, that number can potentially go down to as little as 7 wins only. a 7 win streak starting from Diamond is all it takes to hit Crystal. If you get lucky and just manage to win 7 games in a row well there you go. Win 6 games, than lose your 7th? Oops, streak broken, down you go.

Worse is the de-ranking system. Not only is getting lucky with wins rewarded with EASIER ranking, getting bad luck is PUNISHED with LOST ranking. This is arguably completley backwards but I won't get into my complaints with de-ranking here. While yes, being a good player will tip the odds in your favor, it will NEVER guarantee victory. There is nothing stopping even a competent player from getting stumped just due to bad luck not just breaking their streak but costing them progress.

People need to stop using their own experiences to make blanket judgements about CC as a whole and stop dismissing other player's experiences as them just being bad. Maybe you're above average in skill, maybe your not. Either way, you got lucky with the people you teamed up with enough consecutive games to rank up. You need to accept it's a fundamental problem with the matchmaking system, win-streaks (which shouldn't exist) and de-ranking (which also shouldn't exist). Despite what people here say, Ranking is NOT filtering based on skill and there's not really any justification for de-ranking or win-streaks.

In my opinion win-streaks should be removed along with de-ranking. You wouldn't lose progress for a loss, but you also wouldn't get a win-streak for consecutive wins anymore. The argument against removing de-ranking is because a false belief that the current system is filtering people out and into ranks based on skill which has demonstrably proven to not do even remotely, so it has no reason to exist. But yeah, the idea that people are being stumped because they simply suck is absolutely disengenous and ignores all the varying factors that play into the outcome of a match. I really don't care if you ranked up fast, I don't care if you ranked up 10 characters to Crystal in a week. At best it means you're above average, at best. It does not mean any high-skilled player will innevitably manage to rank without getting stumped just as you did and if they fail to do so that they're bad. You got lucky, you're probably marginally above average, good for you. That doesn't discount anyone else's experiences just because you got lucky with your matchmaking very consistently.

[Sindele]

You first.

[Rieze_Xeero]

So a recurring theme here is that if you manage to Rank up to Crystal very swiftly that must mean you're a very good player. Conversely, the belief is that if you are stumped, regardless of how high up you are, you are a poor player, or it's at the very least an idicator that you are not competent enough to move up further. Allow me to completely break this entire argument down, an argument that ignores various factors (the most obvious being random matchmaking) that can impact even the greatest player's ability to move up. There's a habit of people who only see through the lens of their own experiences and assume because they managed to rank up fast they are a god-gamer and anyone who can't do the same must just suck. So let's break this down.

So obviously, if you're a good player, you are more likely to win. You are an objectively postive addition to your team. You tip the match in your team's favor. Cool, nobody is going to argue against that. However, this is not a duel, a battle between 2 players. CC is a 5v5 battle. Even being a the best you player alive, you still have to account not only for the 4 other teammates (whom you have zero control over), you also have to account for the number of the enemy team.

A teammate could be extremely bad, the kind of bad that can't use their defensives, flask at appropriate times, and ignores objectives.

A teammate could deliberately throw the match for one reason or another (maybe they're just a quitter who wants to get it over with and are sabotaging their own team)

A teammate could suddenly drop, leaving you outnumbered. (And yes I understand these issues could happen to the enemy team).

See there are a lot of things outside of your control, not just the matchmaking itself. You really can't do anything besides be the best player you can be, outside of that, you are still reliant on your own team. You cannot reasonably carry 4 other players. It's not impossible. I've done it, but it's borderline impossible to drag 4 other players who aren't playing optimally or deliberately throwing a match.

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Unfortunately, those players who rank up to Crystal using OP jobs (even prior to the patch) will think highly of themselves and will not admit it. It's just fun playing custom matches and beating them using lower tier jobs. CC is really luck based and perseverance on your part if you want to keep going or not. If you see players queuing that are not good at their job, stop queuing and take a break. Come back and see if there are throwaway players out there or not.

[GayRobot]

Before responding to this thread, please consider that OP provably lies about their winrate and has abandoned more games than most players have entered. They should not be trusted and are not available to be persuaded.

If you're frustrated about your ranking climb, take a breath, consider a break, and keep grinding once you feel rested and ready. Luck is unavoidable, but if you continue playing, you will rank up until you reach Crystal (yay!) or until you start losing significantly more games than you win, which should be your cue to start focusing on improvement.

[Araxes]

Before responding to this thread, please consider that OP provably lies about their winrate and has abandoned more games than most players have entered. They should not be trusted and are not available to be persuaded.

If you're frustrated about your ranking climb, take a breath, consider a break, and keep grinding once you feel rested and ready. Luck is unavoidable, but if you continue playing, you will rank up until you reach Crystal (yay!) or until you start losing significantly more games than you win, which should be your cue to start focusing on improvement.

Yeah, i literally just went into the forums to see if he made another "x Days straight in plat", "You didnt earn your rank", "its all just RNG" post to justify his own failures.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Before responding to this thread, please consider that OP provably lies about their winrate and has abandoned more games than most players have entered. They should not be trusted and are not available to be persuaded.

If you're frustrated about your ranking climb, take a breath, consider a break, and keep grinding once you feel rested and ready. Luck is unavoidable, but if you continue playing, you will rank up until you reach Crystal (yay!) or until you start losing significantly more games than you win, which should be your cue to start focusing on improvement.

Lol what? I based those numbers off of my CC win ratio and achievements which indicate the amount of games I've played. The problem is the achievements do not distinguish ranked/casual, of which I have played both heavily, which muddies the waters. I can only guess how many ranked I've done, but I can see my ranked win ratio clearly, and I guess strong that it is close to half at least. Also yes I have left matches (as I've said, when teammates are just throwing and I'm pulling their slack. I no longer do this however and just stick out every match).

If I my number was wrong it's not significant enough to be worth lying over. Than again you're arguing in bad faith so I should probably just disregard your posts completely.

[Alaray]

I'm not going to say the ranking system is perfect, matchmaking included, but at the same time this does read a bit identically to what a lot of people in a plethora of games with rank systems (pretty much all of them, realistically) who feel trapped in an elo-hell due to bad teammates/constant bad RNG etc... would, well, say. There does come a point in a sample size wherein luck isn't as strong of a factor (I mean, I'm sure everyone's had games they lost they could have won if they did play better/were better -- amidst the hopeless games). While it is unlikely to hard carry a game, being able to tip the scales at least somewhat to your side is kind of what every PvP team game is. There isn't a team PvP game where you won't have people who might lick glass for a living, which is usually why the advice is to control the factor you can... which, to be frank, is yourself. And, from time to time, it's inevitable you will fill the role of glass licker for your team (I know I have at least a few times, queuing when I was a bit too tired).

Though, I've never heard of advocating for no de-ranking before. I don't tend to put a ton of stock into ranks in competitive games (I mean, yes, generally the higher up you are the larger the skill gap between you and a bronze player. Which isn't unique to video game PvP, but just about anything you put a lot of time into doing will net you as being overall better than someone who just started... and if you research things/study, then even more-so) -- and based on your post, here, you say you don't put stock in ranks either... but... you do, obviously, since you want to climb them for... what, exactly? Frame's kinda cool and all, but it's not like there's really anything so worthwhile to chase after. And, as you said, quality doesn't necessarily improve drastically.

Post history aside, I don't think (again) the system is without flaws, but with the end-goal of your argument ultimately being "to never de-rank at all", which runs counter to what I've seen as popular sentiment, it does sort of strike me as you feel like you absolutely deserve to be higher up along the way, aren't and have been stuck, and probably tilted to the point of airing frustrations (some mathematically inaccurate) here. Assuming you're being genuine, at least. I mean, I could be wrong, it's just a general sentiment written in a way I've seen a thousand times before when I played x/y/z game and glanced around to see what the discussions on it were like.

Granted, if you just leave matches you deem as hopeless... I'm kind of glad I can't get you in a game. That's just poor form, man.

[Iyrnwaen]

A teammate could deliberately throw the match for one reason or another (maybe they're just a quitter who wants to get it over with and are sabotaging their own team)

Yeah, it'd be a real shame if someone had a teammate who did that.

[SweetPete]

I’m currently diamond rank. I’m stuck in the infamous win one lose the next. Highest I made it to was Diamond 2. Then lose streak and back down to Diamond 4. The worst team combo for me is when everyone on my team is range. No one wants to stand on the Crystal then lol.

No job can carry. Everyone must do their part and work together. For some reason I’m just not getting teams who want to focus on the task. Rather they wanna chase kills. I’m happy with Diamond but I rather get to Crystal. Just tired of getting screwed in the matchmaking. Nothing we can do about that though lol.