Put Crystal Tower into MSQ roulette

[Rongway]

This would only help so much. The real problem with DR:AllianceRaids is that the requirements are set for a Lv50 character no matter what level you actually are. To address the real problem with the roulette, it needs to have dynamic requirements based on the level of the job you're queuing with:

Lv50: IL high enough for entry to World of Darkness, World of Darkness unlocked.
Lv60: IL high enough for entry to Dun Scaith, Dun Scaith unlocked.
Lv70: IL high enough for entry to Orbonne, Orbonne unlocked.
..etc

So that the only way to cheese it for a lower raid is to be a lower level altogether. Without this change, moving CT to DR:MSQ would just result in people cheesing DR:AllianceRaids for Void Ark pops.

[game_enjoyer]

Why do you want to dumb content further into 4manning CT?
Its already hard getting a NieR AR because people will literally make me wait 30 mins for q.

I don't believe I said anything about making it a 4man. It could very easily just be placed into a different roulette class. The spirit of this was more of, "Alliance roulette is not a roulette if you get 1 set of raids 90% of the time." Anything to address that specifically would be a welcome solution, one which would help you getting Nier raids as well.

[Canadane]

I can get behind this idea.

[Kranel_San]

I'm not sure how it is on other data centers, but on Crystal, alliance raid roulette has just become Crystal Tower roulette. People will strip to get a guaranteed CT run simply because they want the XP and don't want to run anything with even slightly complicated mechanics.
CT is an excellent introduction to alliance raids, but its prevalence in ally raid roulette is frankly, so bad myself and many other people I know simply do not run it anymore. MSQ roulette only has 3 (formerly 2) possible options. Doing this would bulk up the diversity of content in MSQ roulette and allow people who are queuing for alliance raids to experience something other than CT.
The only potential issue I see with this would be people abandoning Castrum/Prae/Porta in favor of CT, but people have been leaving MSQ content in favor of the other because of efficiency since before I started playing.

This move would give MSQ roulette a new purpose beyond being prae roulette, so yes I support this!

[Midareyukki]

On one hand, I agree. CT being mandatory, and the mere fact the Trial people will be playing it, are enough reasons to shove it elsewhere. To make matters worse, it's no secret that people specifically lower their item level just to force Crystal Tower. And no matter how many times we bring attention to Square Enix on this, they haven't done anything to change it.

On the other hand, it will change MSQ roulette from a 4-man experience to a 24-man. Or at least make it mixed, and Square may nitpick about people already knowing in advance what they'll get in a roulette.

Either way, we also need to be careful asking about this. YES it would make CT not appear as much\at all in the Alliance Raid roulette, but what's it to say that the lowering item level to force Void Ark won't be a problem either? Especially since Trial people will also have access to it as well, even if it isn't mandatory.

[Deveryn]

I don't bother with either roulette, but I think MSQ should be left alone.

Alliance would be better if they could make it ignore IL

[Valfreyja]

Seems like people would just pull the same gear trick to get Void Ark or the like.

This isn't a solution, it's a band-aid.

Why not instead just stop changing gear or equipment while inside the raid?

If you queue up naked for Alliance Raid, given how a lot of the time the Duty Pop can happen several times, you have to mostly stand there naked until you actually get inside Crystal Tower.

If you re-equip your proper gear, and the Duty Pop fails, then pops again, you blew it and can end up with Nier, because your iLVL has increased.

If, however, it's impossible to change gear while inside the raid itself, the team will identify what you are doing, and can vote kick you.

[Broken_Wind]

Whenever someone complains that dungeons are being made too easy I think of this issue

And the funny thing is I bet the group of people that complain about the game being dumbed down and the group of people that put on lower gear for CT contain a good deal of overlap

[YukiB]

Whenever someone complains that dungeons are being made too easy I think of this issue

And the funny thing is I bet the group of people that complain about the game being dumbed down and the group of people that put on lower gear for CT contain a good deal of overlap

There's a difference between "Easy" and "Fast".

Crystal Tower is both. The other alliance raids are Easy and Slow. Lots of people will want Easy and Fast over Easy and Slow if they're doing a roulette, so they abuse the gear system.

Hard and Fast is the way to go, baby. But we don't get that option in roulettes.

[Doozer]

Honestly, just fix the item level sync so we're not horribly outgearing LOTA and ST and see how many people remember any of the old mechanics. Or how many people remember Glasya Labolas has mechanics at all.

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I think that's why CT raids are so painfully boring for me now. Sure it's "fast" (if people pay attention even a little), but having done them when they were relevant content and seeing what they're like now, it's like doing it unsynced. It's not interesting. And if I'm going to get the exp/tomes/etc. anyway, I'd rather also have fun. The higher the level, the better. The easiest route is not fun for me.

And then those same people that take us there just say "queue for the raids you want then" as if it doesn't take 30+ minutes to get into Orbonne because so many people who could get put in via roulette are cheesing their ilevels.