Mog House Thread [dev1002][dev1017]

[Dreamer]

I wouldn't worry about mog house. Its already made...just need them to unlock it.

MH = Inn near adventure guild. You even enter at gridania's MH during r30 GS quest (and they are very similar to FFXI MH in style).

I believe they're holding it because actually MH, AH and DB were near the same structure. Maybe they're holding this a bit for some reason since AH is also already made (Limsa near docks). I believe that, at correct timing, all three will be released at same time.

I don't think this is correct. I'm pretty sure the housing in Gridania is going to be at the north end at Lilly Hills when implemented.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Could go with Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, each city has a house. The more expensive the house, the more space you have. The nicer it looks, and you could even have trophy spots or Mannequins.

[Sojiro]

I am for any form of Mog House to be implemented in this game. One of my retainers is named "Mylittlemoogle", so yes I really really want a mog house .

[BlaiseLallaise]

My take: I like the idea in general. I do have concerns about the gathering nodes and facilities. I think to stave off abuse, they should be available to only the home owner, and the gathering nodes in particular should have a respawn timer between uses. Maybe once per hour. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to allow more than just basic crafting facilities for free, but I could possibly warm up to the idea.

The only problem I see with my idea is when multiple owners exist. I suppose in that case it would be prudent to have a house deed as a key item, which can be copied and given to a certain number of players relative to the "level" of the house. For example, a basic level 1 house could have 1 owner, a level 2 could have 3, level 3 could have 5, etc.

[Psion]

Once per hour would be pretty useless for nodes from what I can see. I mean, that is enough for 5-8 tries per node at best, and at the cost per node would take you months or years to make up through whatever you harvested from it. I disagree on the abuse though, since it means the RMT are in a place that SE could easily recognize as abusive behavior by what they're doing.

On the other hand, if you mean you can make say, the points all pop up and be an hour cooldown between uses, I could see that as more practical. Each node lasts for about an hour anyways, so that means you could gather for an hour and then wait an hour to gather again, which seems much more fair. Of course, there might not be any abuse, and in that case SE might decide to remove the cooldown period at a later date.

[Arcell]

The mention of abuse is not in relation to RMT, it's in relation to regular players abusing a system they've been given access to. If people could harvest at a house and never leave then why should they ever go out into the field and do it? Not even talking about botting, it's just something that people could easily abuse.

[Psion]

The mention of abuse is not in relation to RMT, it's in relation to regular players abusing a system they've been given access to. If people could harvest at a house and never leave then why should they ever go out into the field and do it? Not even talking about botting, it's just something that people could easily abuse.

Well, the idea is that it would be a huge cost to do so, so much so it would be impractical for most players. Instead, it would be something more for people who plan on playing a long time as that class, or for people who want to have a linkshell superhouse for members to gather at and use the facilities of. Sure you could mine gold ore all you want in your own home, but it would cost you a huge amount of gil and items to do so. (In this case, you would probably need at least grade 3 or 4 node unlocked, plus gold ore unlocked for it, which might run you a total cost of several million gil and a lot of gold ore or something to do so.)

It's more something that only hardcore people would do. For those who don't want to spend those start up costs, they could easily harvest in the field instead. And the only real advantage home harvesters would get would be no aggro worries, and a good amount of mining places don't have those worries anyways. That's why I'm not too worried about player abuse, since if it's implemented correctly there shouldn't be any worries about such abuse due to high start up costs and not much advantages over field areas.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

I didn't read your post but I don't want Mog House added to the game. I would like to see some sort of LS housing or something along those lines and maybe something similar to a MH, but not an MH like in FFXI, that was really overrated .

[BlaiseLallaise]

Well, the idea is that it would be a huge cost to do so, so much so it would be impractical for most players. Instead, it would be something more for people who plan on playing a long time as that class, or for people who want to have a linkshell superhouse for members to gather at and use the facilities of. Sure you could mine gold ore all you want in your own home, but it would cost you a huge amount of gil and items to do so. (In this case, you would probably need at least grade 3 or 4 node unlocked, plus gold ore unlocked for it, which might run you a total cost of several million gil and a lot of gold ore or something to do so.)

It's more something that only hardcore people would do. For those who don't want to spend those start up costs, they could easily harvest in the field instead. And the only real advantage home harvesters would get would be no aggro worries, and a good amount of mining places don't have those worries anyways. That's why I'm not too worried about player abuse, since if it's implemented correctly there shouldn't be any worries about such abuse due to high start up costs and not much advantages over field areas.

What you're suggesting is that those who have a lot of money will have a distinct advantage over those who do not when it comes to these gathering nodes. Sounds to me like a good way to make the rich richer, and to hell with the rest of us. Regardless the cost, someone will achieve that goal if given to them, they will abuse it. As Arcell says, they will have no reason to go out and hit up any other node.

I'm sticking with my original idea that these nodes should only allow one round of strikes for the owner before it goes away. Just make the startup costs affordable, and increase the cost significantly with each new node added to your personal gathering points, maybe maxing at 5 points. That way we're all on a level playing field, and the rich can upgrade faster and more completely than the rest of us if they so choose, while the rest of us might not get more than 2 or 3 nodes in our entire playing time. When I said 1 hour for the nodes to refresh, that was arbitrary, but it does make sense considering that most people won't be making trips back to their home much more than hourly anyway with all the other adventuring they'll be doing. But to be fair, let's say 30 minute refresh. Does that sound more balanced for a cost/return ratio?

[Psion]

I don't really think your idea is any better though if it's just one round of strikes. Then it's not even worth getting, no matter what the cost. Why bother spending even any gil when there's viable mining areas for free and ones you can use more than once per hour per node?

On the other hand, a good compromise would be nodes that you can choose to spawn whenever you feel like it, but it takes an hour to respawn them after they fade, which takes an hour to do like any node you find in the field. This way you gotta take breaks between gathering on a class.

As far as the rich getting richer... In a sense, that would be true, but the initial costs would make them poorer than the rest of us for a long time. In fact, the idea is that it's not something even wealthy individuals would want to spend money on, but a linkshell full of crafters and harvesters? They could all pitch in, so that grade 5 mining point that might take 5M and 50 gold ore to get gold ore available as an item, for instance, would be split between, say, 30 people, lowering the cost to something everyone can afford. And then they would all be able to use that house's mining points afterwards.

In fact, by wealthy individuals spending money on it, it causes gil to go out of the economy, which means that gil raises in value, which has the virtue of making everyone richer.

Of course, I'm not an expert on balancing, which is why I'd rather go on the side of broken and gradually make adjustments to bring it to balance rather than overcaution. Some caution is great, but too much and you wind up with another puppetmaster like in FFXI: so worried about it being overpowered that it became the weakest class by far, and it took years and years of updates before it gained it's own identity and became a powerful class, and even then the stigma remained. On the other hand, with something like 2H buff nerf, people whined about it getting nerfed for a couple weeks, others agreed that it was needed, and in the end people were content.

If my idea is broken, it's broken, but I'd rather we go too far and adjust it later than put in something that's not worthwhile at all and have a stigma of a system that sucks even after it's fixed.