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    Quote Originally Posted by KapraGoatmog View Post
    Outside of CC, I assume, WHM is only good for its LB and harassing enemies with the Kappa spell. Want to know how to beat the lb? Purify. It's as simple as that. Meanwhile you have MCH with the .50, SAM with an insta-kill, Ivuln tanks, SMN auto-turret, and DRG orbital strike. I get that 6.0+ is the death of whm being viable in pve, but having 1 useful spell in pvp is the only thing keeping it from becoming a bench warmer.
    Dying to DPS or LB from a dps makes sense. They can't use their LBs every 60s and turn the tide of a fight.

    It's not just that WHM has cc on their LB, it's that they have a special cc that can't be purified on top of the purify issues already on top of the fact that these jobs don't exist in a vacuum.

    As I've stated before, even if Purify DID work there are at least 7 different classes that make it irrelevant in 1v1, let alone 5v5. Several classes like WAR can just wait til their rend is back up in 15s because the cd on purify is 30 and just hit you with it anyways.

    It's borderline griefing knowing that every single time you run into battle and see a WHM you're just going to get laserbeam'd and stunned at some point randomly without warning and it's not anywhere close to a rare occurence so it's basically a given that every 60s you are going to get hit.
    "But stay away from the main crystal" I hear you say. I would love to except all they have to do is target the furthest person back and MAYBE turn a little to cleave the whole party.

    "But use Purify!" I hear you retort. Well I would love to except Guard and Purify can be slammed repeatedly and not go off until it's very well too late. Combine that with the repeated silence from RDM/BRD stun from SAM/WAR/NIN and bind from AST and you're basically just waiting to die with nothing to do.

    "Just look at their LB bar and adjust your positioning!" People say. I would love to except that means every 60s I have to essentially play on defense because I know it will be used on cooldown because there is zero punishment for doing so and zero reason not to.
    Purify sucks and isn't the answer to anything. Not when they can zerg rush you like they do in this mode. CC needs to be nerfed or classes like SGE/GNB/DNC/BLM/etc might as well not exist. They need to either give those other classes more utility/CC to be competitive or change the way CC works.

    And yes, before everyone points out there are some people who have gotten to crystal with the weakest classes. And Congrats to them for being lucky enough to be on teams that supported them and/or carried them. It doesn't change that when I'm playing SGE I have to do three times the work to stay alive and to support my team than WHM does, and that's not going into the disparity of other classes.
    "But you can put an 8k shield on an ally" Neat that'll be gone in seconds because they only brought over barriers and none of SGE's passive mitigation potential. It also just stalls the inevitable.
    SCH Adlo at least buffs dps and can nerf the enemy's dps, but as SGE you basically are forced to run in to almost certain death to hit your maximum kill potential and/or give up group utility to kardia yourself, leaving you with zero support skills for the party aside from an easily(and often) interruptible Pnuema. It's just...baffling.

    SGE's LB CAN turn the tide but if the team has literally any synergy and is half awake they'll just delete the SGE or run into the circle to make it a meat blender anyways. You absolutely can carry/turn around a run with WHM LB, and can do it consistently and often. Very few other classes have that potential, and the other classes you mention here are ones that have to wait (usually) much longer to use their LB.

    There's no excuse for a kit with as much utility as WHM has to be able to do what it does. Giving Temperance? Fine. Giving a stun + regen? Sure. But doing a 40yalm laser with stun + 18k damage in the middle of a group engagement where most likely they've already had to use the already useless purify at least once already? It does not require a lot of brainpower to see how ridiculously useful and op that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by KapraGoatmog View Post
    Hell, it doesn't even have a useable healer spell.
    Now I'm convinced you're trolling because not only do they have cure 2 that comes up quite a lot, but they have a literal dash + protect + aoe heal(one of the only aoe heals mind you), Veil which can pop a 12k shield on anyone dealing with any CC (Which is mostlikely anyone in any given engagement), and their LB which is the point of this post which can pop regen on the entire party AND buff all of their damage + heals + defense.
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    Last edited by Tobias_Azuryon; 05-02-2022 at 11:46 PM.

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