PvP Needs Full Rework

[Oni_Akuma]

Let us discuss in many ways how current pvp has completely decimated the pvp community for those who knew the difficulty and skill expression from past tiers to what we have now.

Can I get an input from everyone's opinion on PVP.
FYI - Do not complain if you aren't in the competitive scene. I was a world class Monk last tier but the skill I displayed was definitely top 10 worthy. Nobody in the world was able to beat me unless you were the top players. (I was able to kill all classes except a Good PLD/GNB/DRK until Limit Break). PvP isn't meant to be casual. It is a test of skill and reflexes.

We have a very "dumbed down" version of PVP considered "fun". From what we had last tier of 16 buttons to now losing 4 buttons doesn't really make pvp more "fun". When you make it linear and super simplified, it completely removes the expression. Plus stockpiling moves into a single button also removes "skill" by a huge margin.

In my opinion when you simplify things you take away many aspects of a skill based mode requires. The community as a whole needs a way to express their hard work just like how they mastered their PvE Skills. PvP should keep its 16+ buttons including oGCDs which can be woven/weaved (depending on ping) for optimal burst or situational use.

We can talk about other aspects needed in PvP. Limit Break is fun but I do not think we should balance classes with LB. That just imbalances everything. A class should be able to kill without an LB and use LB for other safe measures.

Health and potency needs major reductions and using MP to heal is just preposterous. I have never heard of requiring MP/mana to heal except Healers having a use for MP to heal. But removing roles does butcher PvP if you try to make everyone feel the same, then there is no diversity.

I am now probably repeating myself and haven't proof read this thread.

[Sindele]

Person skilled under old format does not like change to new format, episode ∞.

People didn't like it, so they didn't play it, so it died. That's how it goes. Adapt or perish.

[Payadopa]

I've never seen so many people at the Wolf's Den in all the years since its inception combined.

[Oni_Akuma]

I've never seen so many people at the Wolf's Den in all the years since its inception combined.

Trust me, when I saw so many people it felt exhilarating. I was like yes more challengers! But also after various testing, I just find it less and less skill based the more used to it I get?

[Darthgummibear]

I've never seen so many people at the Wolf's Den in all the years since its inception combined.

The only 2 reasons it's populated are 1) it's new and 2) they brought the garo event back.

I'd be amazed if there was even half the pvp population by summertime. There's already significantly less than there was a couple weeks ago.

[Iyrnwaen]

FFXIV PvP has always been considered a complete joke. It's been the low-hanging fruit mocked in every write-up of the game in the past 5 years to balance the glowing praise for everything else.
Now, for the first time, PvP is fun and popular. The new system isn't perfect, but it's a very solid foundation.
Being incredibly generous and assuming you really were "world class" in a feature taken seriously by maybe a thousand people globally,
that's A. a hilarious thing to brag about, and B. not relevant to the future of a community that finally has an opportunity for substantial growth.

[Oni_Akuma]

FFXIV PvP has always been considered a complete joke. It's been the low-hanging fruit mocked in every write-up of the game in the past 5 years to balance the glowing praise for everything else.
Now, for the first time, PvP is fun and popular. The new system isn't perfect, but it's a very solid foundation.
Being incredibly generous and assuming you really were "world class" in a feature taken seriously by maybe a thousand people globally,
that's A. a hilarious thing to brag about, and B. not relevant to the future of a community that finally has an opportunity for substantial growth.

I approve your view point and respect toward the community. I asked for that one coming. Its okay to believe it or not.

[PikoAliapoh]

Agreed. I'd argue it doesn't even need a rework; it needs a rollback.

It's nice that the shiny new version is bringing in the hypetrain of interest from new pvpers, but the lack of balance and skill for a competitive game mode is laughable. They could, at minimum, go back to queueing standard compositions of 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 melee, 1 range.

Granted, there's still room for skill and competitive play in with the revamp, but with the addition of things like LBs that have a % chance to 1 hit KO, it's clear things have been heavily skewed away from it being a mode where players are expected to learn, progressively get better, and derive any satisfaction from it.

Like you said, it's much more about catering to heavy participation, instant queues, and "fun" rather than a small, but core, PvP community who took an interest in the mode beyond daily roulettes.

[drtasteyummy]

The issue with LB is basically everyone gets it around the same time with some small offset but for that very minute so many one shots and mega aoes are flying around that it's just unbearable. There isn't also much to counter it, it's okay that they're strong but they have designed most of them to just kill you, which is bad design. Furthermore, I personally think the dumbed down version is just so bad because everyone got heal, bubble and cc breaker which takes a significant amount of that gameplay = less rotation buttons. Their decision to flatten everything into a DD and give everybody a general survival field surgical kit to not have to deal with tank, heal and damage balance is just straight sad.

[Ransu]

6.1 was the rework lol. They are not going to redesign it again, especially with how popular it is. They are just going to focus on balancing now.