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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    the problem is not everyone is on a good computer. zone loading may not be an issue for you, lag may not be an issue for you

    I know some people that do have lag issues and have to play at a lower resolution just to have a decent frame rate.

    it is a nice idea, but you are not playing a single player game where only your own computer would be affected. nice to see sure, but at the expense of many others in the game without your system, unlikely to be a thing.
    Can't hold everyone back because someone holds themself back with limited older tech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zer0ofTime View Post
    Can't hold everyone back because someone holds themself back with limited older tech.
    Japan is a console-based market. Most Japanese play on console, er-go, it's not "holding everyone back" when the main target audience is using PS4.. maaaybe PS5- the very thing "holding it back".
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Japan is a console-based market. Most Japanese play on console, er-go, it's not "holding everyone back" when the main target audience is using PS4.. maaaybe PS5- the very thing "holding it back".
    consoles are only 30-40% of the player base, and I wouldn't exactly call 1 region that makes up part of that 30-40% "main target audience"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zer0ofTime View Post
    consoles are only 30-40% of the player base, and I wouldn't exactly call 1 region that makes up part of that 30-40% "main target audience"
    Japanese game, with Japanese devs who read Japanese feedback. The majority of Japanese play on PS4

    Regardless, they are still bound to keep the game in line with whatever console is lagging, even if it's only 30%, over niche high-spec PCs.

    Moreover, the very fact that it is Cross Platform FURTHER nulifies any "BuT tHe NoObS gOtTa UpDaTe ThEiR hArDwArEs!"

    Until the devs decide to drop PS4 support, THAT is the bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Regardless, they are still bound to keep the game in line with whatever console is lagging, even if it's only 30%, over niche high-spec PCs.

    Moreover, the very fact that it is Cross Platform FURTHER nulifies any "BuT tHe NoObS gOtTa UpDaTe ThEiR hArDwArEs!"

    Until the devs decide to drop PS4 support, THAT is the bottom line.
    That's kind of a straw man argument. For starters, everyone on the PS4 KNOWS their timer is ticking down to 0 now that the PS5 has been out over a year and will only start to become the norm. Games like Cyberpunk 2077 already have to write off the old gen consoles and the console company themselves really have final say if they keep their online services rolling (like how Nintendo is shutting down all it's older consoles online stuff including the new 3ds)

    The other side of things is these games are developed ON a PC somewhere. There are no devs using a ps4 ps4pro or ps5 coding the game (play testing it at best maybe) so it's not like they wouldn't try to see what they are capable of doing despite server limitations, I'm sure there are a lot of fun in house only things as with any dev that only they get to see from that side and never makes it to public because they know it can't be feasible. I am more certain that they have the ability to even bring newer lighting techniques into the game if they worked with nvidia and wanted ray tracing or something added (since it was even able to be added to quake 2).

    There are a lot of things they can keep pushing because they are making these games on a PC to stay ahead of that bottom line bare bones minimum system requirements that is the PS4. The moment that system is retired everyone is forced to swap to new hardware anyway like it or not, it's the same outcome at the end of it, got to get better hardware to keep up with the times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zer0ofTime View Post
    Can't hold everyone back because someone holds themself back with limited older tech.
    Until GPU and PS5 prices are reasonable and available at all times, this is a terrible take

    Fact of the matter is also that this game is 10 years old now, and while you can expect improvements over time, there's an upper limit to where it becomes reasonable to work with the engine, as it stands, 14 is, as far as i'm aware, still running on a heavily modified crystal tools, and i don't doubt the engine is reaching it's upper limit rather quickly, to go further than that would require exponentially more processing power for very little, if any benefit

    i'd argue that's the case for most games though, these days, while i can tell the difference between late ps4 and early ps5 games, i really don't see it being much more pleasing to the eye, and i'd rather have rock solid performance on more machines as a viable option than an extra 2000 polygon's in my character's hair, and some lighting that looks somewhat better than my current settings
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