I Reached Crystal Using Only BLM. AMA.

[Lymberey]

I catch that pretty early on even before i hit bronze 2. It is too slow and too weak to be in a DPS toolkit that requires a lot of set up.

SCH can do must better and stronger DoT for practically no problem or set up. Burn DoT is just too weak, too slow, and extremely high opportunity cost for the troubles BLM has to go through.

[Inuakurei]

Thank you all! I added a little more to my post as I thought of a few more things afterwards. I'll continue to do so if I remember anything that could be helpful.

I've been trying to tell people this since 6.1 dropped, so it's nice to see other people are on the same page.
Fire is garbage. It would be weak even in a vacuum, but at the cost of spammable crowd control it's a genuine trap.
The Burn dot should increase in potency with Astral stacks, not duration.

Ya Fire is complete garbage. I tried using a mix of Fire and Ice depending on the situation, like Fire if they're tightly grouped during overtime and such, but it's just never worth using. The fire dot is laughably bad, doesn't scale well, and is wasted on multiple applications. I'm pretty sure your base mana regen is enough to Recuperate all the dot damage away on it's own.

Damage isn't really the issue most of the time anyway, it's kill securing. Healing and mobility are so prevalent that it's pretty easy to spam Recuperate, slip away, and Elixir back into the fight 5s later.

I'm really not sure how they could fix it to be honest without scaling Fire damage to insanity. Ice is just too good at securing kills. Maybe make it so that applying the Fire dot again, it instantly deals the remaining dot's damage all at once?

[Iyrnwaen]

The only other thing you could do besides jacking the damage into the stratosphere would be apply some other debilitating debuff with the Burn.
A debuff that substantially reduced damage output, reduced healing received or increased damage received would give the extended duration a purpose,
and might give you a reason to alternate between Fire and Ice against certain targets/comps instead of just spamming Ice 100% of the time.

[VictorSpoils]

I think there's just one question; Why?

To make this thread.

[Lymberey]

The only other thing you could do besides jacking the damage into the stratosphere would be apply some other debilitating debuff with the Burn.
A debuff that substantially reduced damage output, reduced healing received or increased damage received would give the extended duration a purpose,
and might give you a reason to alternate between Fire and Ice against certain targets/comps instead of just spamming Ice 100% of the time.

I think 3k-4.5k-6k DoT for 6s or 3k-6k-9k additional burst dmg sounds ok (perhaps a bit lower?) as BLM has no CC or stackable DoT during Fire, unlike other jobs which still have access to CC. This way, BLM can be a dmg dealer with Fire in a low dmg team comp, and can be a CC support with Ice for low CC team comp.

I love the concept of Fire and Ice being the exactly opposite, so i think fire should be pure in damage and fast for zero utility it has while Ice is already good in utility and dmg wise. If the devs intended to separate Fire and Ice, unlike RDM which can easily switch back and forth, making both of them viable depending on the current team comp might be a good idea.

[Iyrnwaen]

I think 3k-4.5k-6k DoT for 6s or 3k-6k-9k additional burst dmg sounds ok (perhaps a bit lower?) as BLM has no CC or stackable DoT during Fire, unlike other jobs which still have access to CC. This way, BLM can be a dmg dealer with Fire in a low dmg team comp, and can be a CC support with Ice for low CC team comp.

I love the concept of Fire and Ice being the exactly opposite, so i think fire should be pure in damage and fast for zero utility it has while Ice is already good in utility and dmg wise. If the devs intended to separate Fire and Ice, unlike RDM which can easily switch back and forth, making both of them viable depending on the current team comp might be a good idea.

Yeah, like I said earlier, I think the easiest and most appropriate change is to make the DoT increase in potency with more stacks instead of duration.
It gives you a tradeoff between control and burst damage, and the DoT ticking off more quickly mostly solves the issue of reapplication being worthless.
The OP's suggestion of having a reapplication of Fire consume the existing DoT and deal its damage all at once is also a good one.

[Raistlin]

Yeah, like I said earlier, I think the easiest and most appropriate change is to make the DoT increase in potency with more stacks instead of duration.
It gives you a tradeoff between control and burst damage, and the DoT ticking off more quickly mostly solves the issue of reapplication being worthless.
The OP's suggestion of having a reapplication of Fire consume the existing DoT and deal its damage all at once is also a good one.

In FFXIV dots ticks on a fixed 3 second timer, u cant make them faster without changing how the game works, doubt is possible.

[Iyrnwaen]

In FFXIV dots ticks on a fixed 3 second timer, u cant make them faster without changing how the game works, doubt is possible.

By "ticking off more quickly", I meant finishing in 6 seconds instead of 12 at 3 stacks of Warmth, because the potency would increase instead of the duration.
I'm not talking about increasing the frequency of the ticks.

[Jybril]

Ice Mage is da way.

[Anhra]

Fire does have one good use, and that is when you fight a NIN on your own. The DoT itself breaks a NIN out of stealth so going for a quick 1 stack Fire Superflare is a reasonable choice when u think that a NIN is about to dip out. Freezing him does keep the NIN locked in place in that situation, BUT he keeps the Stealth effect since it seems that only damage effects actually break it.