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  1. #1
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    ildranor's Avatar
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    Ildranor Syvero
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    Twintania
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    Samurai Lv 90

    i am still mad about 6.1 samurai changes

    just letting SE know they cant just stay silent and hope people will accept the changes after a while, i wont atleast. thats it.
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  2. #2
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    Shisen Akaitama
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    No yeah it's bad
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  3. #3
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    Gin'ei Mikazuki
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    Mateus
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Indeed. Hope they address this soon
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    Adeacia Lightheart
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I'm still trying to figure out what the issue even is. I have yet to hear a good explanation.
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    Dal S'ta
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    Gilgamesh
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    Bard Lv 97
    By "They can't stay silent", I assume you mean in interviews with the dev team?

    I have never seen an explanation on the forums for such things, and since this isn't a communication vehicle for the developers, I don't expect one, ever.
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    Len Mei
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Adeacia View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out what the issue even is. I have yet to hear a good explanation.
    Do you even kaiten bro?
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    Adeacia Lightheart
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    Adamantoise
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by VeolE View Post
    Do you even kaiten bro?
    I used it plenty of times. I don't see the issue.
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    Nishi Il
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    Jenova
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Adeacia View Post
    I used it plenty of times. I don't see the issue.
    This issue(s):

    - Without Kaiten, kenki management is no longer necessary at all, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, the choice of how to spend kenki no longer exists, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, the choice of when to spend kenki no longer matters, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, Iaijutsu and Ogi Namikiri hit for drastically less than they used to, which makes the job's entire kit feel flat and unsatisfying, and also makes burst windows far less important, which dumbs-down the gameplay.

    If you don't mind dumbed-down gameplay, there's no issue.

    EDIT: Actually, some people are passionate about the animation and audio, so I guess there's potentially an issue even if you approve of the dumbed-down gameplay - the same can be said for cadence, but that's a deeper discussion and contrarians don't seem to want to hear about the job's "feel".
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    Last edited by cjbeagle; 05-05-2022 at 08:15 AM.

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    Party Finder
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    Jenova
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    I kinda screwed myself (apparently) by enjoying 1 job. Samurai. Now I have no desire to play the game and am unsubbed until revert sam back to 6.08. If they don't bring it back then I couldn't care less about playing, there aren't any jobs that excite me in ffxiv right now
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    Gin'ei Mikazuki
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    Mateus
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by cjbeagle View Post
    This issue(s):

    - Without Kaiten, kenki management is no longer necessary at all, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, the choice of how to spend kenki no longer exists, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, the choice of when to spend kenki no longer matters, which dumbs-down the gameplay.
    - Without Kaiten, Iaijutsu and Ogi Namikiri hit for drastically less than they used to, which makes the job's entire kit feel flat and unsatisfying, and also makes burst windows far less important, which dumbs-down the gameplay.

    If you don't mind dumbed-down gameplay, there's no issue.

    EDIT: Actually, some people are passionate about the animation and audio, so I guess there's potentially an issue even if you approve of the dumbed-down gameplay - the same can be said for cadence, but that's a deeper discussion and contrarians don't seem to want to hear about the job's "feel".
    ^ This.

    It wasn't complicated. But it was something we typically had to keep our mind on while playing. It was a rewarding gameplay loop.

    Nor only was it that, but they also altered potencies and effects to 'compensate' the loss in our buff by making everything core to the class weak enough that it almost isn't worth using in the rotation.

    Making a class that relies on slowly building to big hits turn into flat and even across the entire board was a poor call.
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