[Level Sync] Needs a revisit

[Ransu]

Like 10 Years ago, I was playing some SWTOR and when you tag PvP in there, you can find exactly what you said here. HL People keep their skills while Low level don't have their full kit.

This was such a huge mess and imperfect things to do because Lvl max player could literraly obliterate the opponent who just have 2 buttons with no balance.

Applying this things here would be a huge mess, like other people said, you can't expect to have Sprout enjoy the game because of that. Monster in low level dungeon are melting fast as hell already. Allowing full lvl 90 Rotation on this poor Captain Madison will make him instantly ragequit the fight... Twice !

So it's a Hard no from me, because things can't get balanced that way.

Ok? But we're not talking about PvP....SWTOR level sync in their Flashpoints work really well. Also, swtor didn't have level sync 10 years ago. You simply just got ganked by a higher level player. Comes with the territory of a pvp server. If you didn't want to that to happen you shouldn't have rolled on a pvp server.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Ok? But we're not talking about PvP....SWTOR level sync in their Flashpoints work really well. Also, swtor didn't have level sync 10 years ago. You simply just got ganked by a higher level player. Comes with the territory of a pvp server. If you didn't want to that to happen you shouldn't have rolled on a pvp server.

This wasn't in open world, it was in a battleground, and it was level synced to maximum if you weren't max. BUT because the game was based on a talent tree, you only have the level synced up. You didn't get any buffs to compensate, or any skill related to your "synced level", and that leaded to unbalanced PvP.

I know you are not talking about PvP, but that was an exemple I took that's getting close to was you were saying. FFXIV don't have a base game that goes with that system, and even if they do it, they will need to rebalance the entire game from scraps to do so.

[ICountFrom0]

Okay, so take all the damage you do at level 15 in satasha over the course of two minutes. 1 or 2k damage.

So, pretend you have to press your full 90 rotation to do that much damage.

Now your 1, 2, 3, is doing 1, 2 and 3 damage. Your biggest hit in your biggest burst, does 200 damage.

Do you really want to rip your heart out, and do your absolute best, to do that little damage?

[Baklavah]

Okay, so take all the damage you do at level 15 in satasha over the course of two minutes. 1 or 2k damage.

So, pretend you have to press your full 90 rotation to do that much damage.

Now your 1, 2, 3, is doing 1, 2 and 3 damage. Your biggest hit in your biggest burst, does 200 damage.

Do you really want to rip your heart out, and do your absolute best, to do that little damage?

It's not about that though. It's about having access to your full list of skills and it being FUN to play. I've got to tell you, leveling roulette forcing you to push 2 buttons makes me fall asleep at the wheel because it's boring now. I've unlocked all this stuff and you're locking it away. The lack of entertainment factor is the problem with having to do lower level content in roulettes. It's BEYOND boring to lose stuff. Even if it's only for a short time, it tears away the fun factor.

[ICountFrom0]

You find it boring to do less.

I would find it depressing to get so little out of doing more.

Two kinds of people.

[Hasrat]

It's not about that though. It's about having access to your full list of skills and it being FUN to play. I've got to tell you, leveling roulette forcing you to push 2 buttons makes me fall asleep at the wheel because it's boring now. I've unlocked all this stuff and you're locking it away. The lack of entertainment factor is the problem with having to do lower level content in roulettes. It's BEYOND boring to lose stuff. Even if it's only for a short time, it tears away the fun factor.

If you don't enjoy running synced content, the simplest solution is to stop running synced content. The game doesn't force you to run roulettes.

Stop running leveling roulette if you don't want to be synced down.

Or get a party together and set a limited leveling roulette.

You're choosing to voluntarily run content you don't find fun, and complaining that it's not fun for you.

[Alpheus]

I think the best thing they can do is to ease the gear sync so that your stats are a smidge higher when sync'd down then how they currently are atm. Kinda like how when u do so for FATEs you're not usually sync'ed down to the exact level of the FATE, you're actually a few levels higher, if they could do that with the gear sync 'ing so that they can give u a little ilvl bump that way, that would probably make it (feel) like less of a slog.

Aside from an adjustment that is equally as unobtrusive as would be to their Dev schedule (not even sure how feasible it is) I wouldn't expect the Devs to adjust the system too much, as the upsides for how it currently is do outweigh the downsides in their view, I imagine.

[Jaquan]

Honestly what you ask for OP is more hassle than it's actually worth since by default it's something that would need to be done for each job individually and manually for each level range depending on when the job gets the upgrades. How do you compensate for utility that the on level job lacks like AoE damage on Dragoons prior to mid 40s? Or the additional utilities tacked onto Black Mage the further you go? Actually that one is an interesting case study on its own.

Let's assume you somehow manage to Equate the damage between max level skillset and at 4 different combinations depending on the level range (and for the record it's just fire spells. For simplicity sake I omitted Thunder) Hell let's assume rhat for level 15-20 (earliest dungeons) and 20-35 you somehow balance between max level Astral Flame and lower stacks. Hell let's also assume you somehow solved issues with Enochian and the Polyglot spells that aren't static parts of your rotation as they mostly fill in the blanks if you have a slot for extra GCD. Now let's look at all the things that don't have direct damage numbers on them. How you balance Umbral Ice? If you lower the mana ticks to keep similar phase ratios you essentially ruin the flow of high level BLM. If you nerf damage on AF even further to compensate for higher ratio of AF to UI you'll make BLM damage pitiful compared ro their "on level" version during shorter encounters. What about Umbral Hearts which additionally extend the Astral Flame and allow for things like Casting an extra Flare during AoE pulls? Triplecast that allows for moments of Hyper Mobility or weaving in whatever extra abilities you still have making Quadruple Flare swift and easy?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

The fact that this topic resurfaces consistently and no thought being put into the required workload, requirements to make the system work and repercussions from implementing it before posting such threads really baffles me.

I mean I get it, not everyone studies game design nor do they care much beyond personal interest, but a little research would really explain quickly why the suggestion will fall flat on its' ass as soon as you mention it.

[Azuri]

The fact that this topic resurfaces consistently...

Or maybe it means that this problem is actually worth looking into? Level sync in XIV is hot garbage.