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    StrongWilled's Avatar
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    Leyla Da'lahni
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    That's a smart and sound decision. Simulating the results even after they think they are sure, just to know that they are sure, is an absolute win for the community. People will whine, but it really shows the dedication the devs have to getting it right. If only they cared this much about Hrothgar hair.
    I dont mind the simulation. It's more the fact that they do not yet have the environment set up to simulate. That should have been set up with testing before the lottery was ever rolled out. It should have been started a week ago when they said it was. Taking an additional 2 weeks to set up a sim enivronment is insane, when there has been also 2 weeks since the issue was raised, and it should have already existed to properly test in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    In the latest post they confirmed they HAVE done all the testing and have it ready to go, but them want to simulate the rollout first.

    https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d9bc9b87b7c6fb
    That's....part of testing

    With the people that were flinging around insults and screeching that they were incompetent and all should be fired, why would you expect they would do anything less but test every possible condition? That takes time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    That's....part of testing

    With the people that were flinging around insults and screeching that they were incompetent and all should be fired, why would you expect they would do anything less but test every possible condition? That takes time.
    And just imagine how much whining there would be if they did roll out the fix immediately without proper testing and the same issue happened again (or something even worse happened, which would be very likely)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StriderShinryu View Post
    And just imagine how much whining there would be if they did roll out the fix immediately without proper testing and the same issue happened again (or something even worse happened, which would be very likely)...
    And to my understanding because I actually read the update unlike some others here (not you), they have the lottery condition bug addressed, tested, and fixed internally in the code.

    The environment they're trying to set up is simulating the conditions for restoring the players' lottery data, not to simulate the housing server or normal lottery conditions. How anyone thinks they should have had *that* set up ahead of time is beyond me.
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    Morgan Blackhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainichan View Post
    Because they want to be 100% sure that the fixes and the correct lottery winners are pulled and displayed, and are testing that. Duplicating the bug that caused it, fixing it, and verifying no other bugs popped up came first before anything else.

    The entire process is here. I would rather them have everything completely fixed, no more bugs, and working properly instead of them crapping out a half-fixed bug fix patch for more to pop up later and prevent more people from getting housing.
    If they actually did the QA before release we wouldn't have had this issue to begin with
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    Having a solid date now is absolutely fine by me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    If they actually did the QA before release we wouldn't have had this issue to begin with
    To be fair, they did QA before the change. Those employees gave their absolute best.

    What they didn't do was have a test environment that sufficiently mirrored the public servers. That's a budget issue, and 100% on management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    To be fair, they did QA before the change. Those employees gave their absolute best.

    What they didn't do was have a test environment that sufficiently mirrored the public servers. That's a budget issue, and 100% on management.
    They also cannibalized their QA environment for production expansion because severs were essentially unobtainum due to supply-chain issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeminiReed View Post
    They also cannibalized their QA environment for production expansion because severs were essentially unobtainum due to supply-chain issues.
    I've seen no indication of that in any letters, notes or otherwise. Considering the only recent capacity issue was with the lobby servers, and there was no time between that 9001/2002 and it's solution to dismantle a QA system, ship the servers to NA, EU and JP DCs, physically install the servers, certify them, load software and integrate, and test the solution.

    There have however been two mentions in Yoshida-san's notes that the QA environment wasn't a mirror.

    I'm going to go with; they didn't bother to set up a proper test system from the start.
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    They probably don't need to push it back so far, they are just being cautious. It would not look good to fix it and then another problem happen, so they want to copy a public server and see if their fixes cause any problems first. This takes a lot of time.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Jimbo Jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    This is a joke right?

    Just shut the servers down and fix it.

    nobody cares about the 1%ers doing ultimate rn.
    Contrary to many players beliefs, housing is a pretty small aspect of the game.

    Also JP community is much higher than 1% participation in ultimates. Even NA has higher rates.
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