So...About Blue Mage

[Jandor]

Here is a BLU concept that should be possible to balance with the regular jobs, while also keeping the learning and spell selecting aspect that is key to the job.



The idea is you pick any 3 elemental spells that flow from one to the other to build your basic combo.

You get minor focus for doing the combo, and that focus can spent on a 2nd combo built on the same principle, flowing from one element to another. The 2nd combo gets a damage bonus to represent your powering up.

By doing the two combos and moving through the whole elemental wheel you can gain a major focus, those can then be spent to unleash your bigger spells.

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Could be an add on to current BLU. BLU could become a class with the job crystal being a story McGuffin, at some point in the story a job trainer (level 30 maybe?) comes along and gives you a focused job stone that be used to change the class over to this.

[Raikai]

Here is a BLU concept that should be possible to balance with the regular jobs, while also keeping the learning and spell selecting aspect that is key to the job.



The idea is you pick any 3 elemental spells that flow from one to the other to build your basic combo.

You get minor focus for doing the combo, and that focus can spent on a 2nd combo built on the same principle, flowing from one element to another. The 2nd combo gets a damage bonus to represent your powering up.

By doing the two combos and moving through the whole elemental wheel you can gain a major focus, those can then be spent to unleash your bigger spells.

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Could be an add on to current BLU. BLU could become a class with the job crystal being a story McGuffin, at some point in the story a job trainer (level 30 maybe?) comes along and gives you a focused job stone that be used to change the class over to this.

I like this idea. Looking at the current spellbook, the only spells that can really trivialize boss mechanics is White Wind and Diamondback due to how they work, so they probably need to be adjusted in the end, while not making both of them utterly useless... Instant death effects already don't work as they are, and other niche spells like Dragon Force, Cactguard, Angel Snack are all behind cast times, so to use them you'd need to sacrifice your own offensive anyways.

I feel, though, that those insta kill spells and the plethora of aoe CC effects like paralyze and stuns is probably tip the balance in favor of the Blue Mage in dungeons... so I wonder if they would care to adjust those spells too.

[Payadopa]

Just make it a toggle. It's not that hard. Unlimited in open world and limited in party content.

[Jandor]

I like this idea. Looking at the current spellbook, the only spells that can really trivialize boss mechanics is White Wind and Diamondback due to how they work, so they probably need to be adjusted in the end, while not making both of them utterly useless... Instant death effects already don't work as they are, and other niche spells like Dragon Force, Cactguard, Angel Snack are all behind cast times, so to use them you'd need to sacrifice your own offensive anyways.

I feel, though, that those insta kill spells and the plethora of aoe CC effects like paralyze and stuns is probably tip the balance in favor of the Blue Mage in dungeons... so I wonder if they would care to adjust those spells too.

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I mean the spell book would probably need quite a bit of adjustment for BLU to work as a standard job, even with the configuration proposed above. I just didn't want to do a full rework of everything, I'm more of a 'loose outline' sort of guy.

Wanted to cover all the essentials. So it still learns from enemies, it scales down in lower level content, it has a gauge to manage and play around, and I think the end result would play differently enough from the other 3 casters to justify the effort.

[TsuchinokoPanda]

I would 100% main BLU if it became a 'real' job. I'm trying to get all the music scrolls in the game so I had to defeat all three of the major bosses in the carnivale to get the scrolls associated with the questline. I honestly didn't want to, had some good friends +my partner power level me and get me a bunch of good spells because I found the progression to be a pain for solo play, but I ended up having a lot of fun with it in the end. Being able to mimic any role and having so many rotations to choose from kept the whole ordeal fresh and made me miss it a little once I popped the scrolls and never looked back. Just let them be an all rounder with limitations in MSQ.

[ReiMakoto]

I like this idea. Looking at the current spellbook, the only spells that can really trivialize boss mechanics is White Wind and Diamondback due to how they work, so they probably need to be adjusted in the end, while not making both of them utterly useless... Instant death effects already don't work as they are, and other niche spells like Dragon Force, Cactguard, Angel Snack are all behind cast times, so to use them you'd need to sacrifice your own offensive anyways.

I feel, though, that those insta kill spells and the plethora of aoe CC effects like paralyze and stuns is probably tip the balance in favor of the Blue Mage in dungeons... so I wonder if they would care to adjust those spells too.

Diamondback and whitewind arnt even that bad in a raid setting actually.

White Wind: with the exception of snapshotting high health, the only time you would want a dps to sacrifice a gcd to help out the healers is during a heal check, and during a heal check, your health is low, if your health is low white wind sucks. Sure you could do bene + whitewind combo, but in what world is that better than the plethora of high power dps neutral healing options healers have. It doesnt even help in solo heal attempts, as the limiting factor for solo heal is mechanic targetting not healing throughput.

DB: this ability is a trap, there is not a way to make this a valuable skill on a dps which wouldnt make it just way more clunky than just having the off tank do it. Any situation where diamondback would be useful to have on a dps would be a situation where somethings gone terribly wrong or a gimmick run. Even on bosses that target 1st and second aggro having to DB will bleed so much damage to keep the blu alive that you should just have an off tank.

Edit: on the topic of dungeons im in 2 minds, on one hand yeah chain cc would be powerful in dungeons. On the other hand dungeons are broken content by design and can be literally solod by warriors/ paladins, and already optimally run with 3 dps and one tank, so its impact would be minor.

[technole]

People are weird. It's just better to create a new job.

As blue mage can do everything not just red dps. You can solo any dungeon as blue mage is eligible for with basic instinct because it allows all the role buffs without the downsides. Revenge Blast is sickeningly good that encourages a raid of blue mages to stay at lowest HP possible, that's good stuff after getting smacked by a lot of damage. There are many different play styles encouraged and that's what made doing the sync'd raids exciting.

There are no traps. You can also get away with 1 blue mage tank in most of the non-echo sync'd raids because how stupidly good Mighty Guard and Diamondback is. Frog leg a voke and take a buster, tank takes it back. That kind of flexibly is awesome.

[ReiMakoto]

People are weird. It's just better to create a new job.

As blue mage can do everything not just red dps. You can solo any dungeon as blue mage is eligible for with basic instinct because it allows all the role buffs without the downsides. Revenge Blast is sickeningly good that encourages a raid of blue mages to stay at lowest HP possible, that's good stuff after getting smacked by a lot of damage. There are many different play styles encouraged and that's what made doing the sync'd raids exciting.

There are no traps. You can also get away with 1 blue mage tank in most of the non-echo sync'd raids because how stupidly good Mighty Guard and Diamondback is. Frog leg a voke and take a buster, tank takes it back. That kind of flexibly is awesome.

Mighty Guard+ Diamondback is only good within the context of BLU raiding, if you were to have blu as a normal job you would never want to use that over an actual tank. Also "Many different play styles" is a massive reach, you have the BLU rotation and you occasionaly use a different filler (i.e. revenge blast), fundamentally you only have one playstyle of your primal burst+ filler.

[Deveryn]

There are some interesting ideas about what could be, but not enough thought about the time it will actually take to make something happen. BLU is a side job and it's fine as it is. It's also very OP in its capabilities. For this reason, it's perma-banned from things like Ultimates and Eureka / Bozja.

Conversion to a non-limited status is moot when you have 19 classes to choose from.

[Syln]

Blue mage only purpose is to farm allied seals :3

More seriously sometime i wish they just change it to something more constructed with 3 archetypes (dps,heal,tank), each coming with its separate set of spell that you have to learn and balanced to do content with other jobs.