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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    Hearing that this is pRNG is getting pretty old. Run 10 hamlets and get a low score (Copper Chest). Run 10 hamlets and get a high score (Gold Chest). Count up how many seals you got from each. I think you'll find that skill and performance have boosted your drop rate significantly. That's not even taking into account the militia gear that will drop.
    So what you are saying is, since we need to do speed runs to get the heavy darklight body its not RNG? Skill is a determining factor on how the chest pops after all.

    It is still RNG,, regardless if performance increases our odds or not, and in all honesty there is no excuse for people to not get above 50k points now that we have figured out the pop requirements for the last mob and there are genuine strategies out on how to do it other than the hamlet being at level 1. Even the shittiest parties can go in and let the npcs do 95% of the work. I have seen them do it.
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  2. #82
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    I was speaking only about Hamlet Defense, so I'm not sure why you pulled CC/AV argument out. If I'm following the logic your setting out anything but 100% drop counts as the dreaded pRNG? Which I guess in theory is true, but I don't think that's the spirit most people use the term in. Most people bring up that term when talking about the CC/AV drops rates which seem to be reported to come in under 5%. Hamlet has a much higher drop rate than that for seals alone.
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    What is best in life?
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    To crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of their women.

  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    pRNG
    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    Hearing that this is pRNG is getting pretty old. Run 10 hamlets and get a low score (Copper Chest). Run 10 hamlets and get a high score (Gold Chest). Count up how many seals you got from each. I think you'll find that skill and performance have boosted your drop rate significantly. That's not even taking into account the militia gear that will drop.
    Now on topic and more relevant. I think I agree with you. Though in general, I think what people are really irritated with at this point is the general repetitiveness of content. It's not any one thing, it's being able to spam them over and over until you burn out, it's the limited amount of new content per patch (understandable given that their team is split in half), it's the seemingly unforgiving pRNG. Any one of those things would probably not be a problem in and of itself.
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  4. #84
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    WTF is pRNG???
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    pRNG!
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  6. #86
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    pRNG stands for pseudo-Random Number Generator. It's a misnomer to call any number produced by a computer a random number, which is why technically there is no such thing as an RNG, just algorithms that appear random to anyone that does not know the seed value or the function. The more you know.

    I only thanked him because it's somewhat of a pet peeve of mine when people refer to pRNGs as RNGs. I don't really blame people for not knowing the difference, it just kind of pains me every time I see someone inappropriately use the term.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulan View Post
    pRNG stands for pseudo-Random Number Generator. It's a misnomer to call any number produced by a computer a random number, which is why technically there is no such thing as an RNG, just algorithms that appear random to anyone that does not know the seed value or the function. The more you know.

    I only thanked him because it's somewhat of a pet peeve of mine when people refer to pRNGs as RNGs. I don't really blame people for not knowing the difference, it just kind of pains me every time I see someone inappropriately use the term.
    That's pretty nitpicky. For all intents and purposes, it IS random. You're not going to get true randomness with videogames, so calling it RNG instead of pRNG really shouldn't be a big deal.

    ...Also most people just don't give a crap about the difference, even if they do know it.
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  8. #88
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    Pretty nitpicky indeed, which is why I don't blame people for not using pRNG, but it does warm my heart a little every time I see someone use the correct abbreviation. Besides, while not really important for in the context of video games, the difference between a true RNG and a pRNG can be extremely important in some fields. Cryptography, for one, is extremely invested in that subtle difference.

    But that aside, yes, the difference is minor and I apologize for derailing the subject. Though it seems that discussion has died out at this point. The difference is academic for our purposes, it's just a field of interest of mine and I have a hard time containing myself when something interests me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulan View Post
    pRNG stands for pseudo-Random Number Generator. It's a misnomer to call any number produced by a computer a random number, which is why technically there is no such thing as an RNG, just algorithms that appear random to anyone that does not know the seed value or the function. The more you know.

    I only thanked him because it's somewhat of a pet peeve of mine when people refer to pRNGs as RNGs. I don't really blame people for not knowing the difference, it just kind of pains me every time I see someone inappropriately use the term.
    there are hardware RNGs but im certain SE uses software RNG
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    25k flame seals 3 of each beastman seal and all he got was this soiled promissory note. Cant hand it in yet Gerolts still drunk and mumbling about chocobos.
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    Removed due to size restrictions and possible seizures risks.

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