Are you enjoying this?

[infernova]

I think PvP is fun now in that they made it much more accessible for the general player base (which may or may not be a good thing depending on where you stand on the idea of dumbing down content to accommodate a wider pool of players). I played FL a fair bit before the rework and I didn't really enjoy having to juggle the complexity of all the PvP skills on top of navigating the chaos that is the PvP environment. Now that they've streamlined all the classes down to just 6 skills + 1 LB + the general abilities, it allows me as a player to focus way more on the tactical aspect of the game rather than having to fumble through the myriad of skills I have on my hotbar.

I also like how they moved away from the role identity and instead put more focus on specific job identities all equipped with a common survivability kit. I didn't really like the old PvP format where most engagements basically devolved to which side had better healers. It made it un-fun for tanks and DPS because it felt like you had little agency over whether you lived or died in any given engagement and incredibly stressful for healers because if they messed up, they effectively lost the engagement for everyone. Now everyone has their own play making potential and role requirements aren't as necessary as before.

Honestly as much as you hear people complaining about PvP on the forums, I think the numbers in-game speak for themselves. Absolutely nothing has changed with the format of FL but previously prior to 6.1, unless there was a Moogle Tomestone event going on that game players tomestones for playing PvP, it was basically impossible to find a match on duty finder but now most of my FL queues fill up within 5-10 minutes. I can play CC even at the most off-peak of hours and still find matches in less than 5 minutes.

All that being said, I think the state of balance of PvP right now is pretty bad. A good half of the jobs are basically meme picks while the handful of S-tier jobs get so much more value over everyone else that if you really cared about your win rate, you would be throwing if you didn't pick the strict meta classes. For the most part I wouldn't really invest too much time in ranked with the current state of balance because I feel they way PvP is now, it just breaks down the moment everyone starts tryharding for wins instead of playing the game mode to have fun. And that's in CC where the new jobs were primarily balanced around. Game balance in FL is pretty much a dumpster fire when you have 24 LBs at your disposal. Practically every match I get into these days, you'll set 50% of all players picking only WHM or SMN because their LBs are just that broken when you have the ability to spam multiple of them in quick succession. I'll take the reworked version of PvP over the old version as a fresh starting off point but the balanced team really has their work cut out for them if they're going to be able to make PvP thrive.

[Freemind]

Are you actually having fun in pvp? If so please explain why you are enjoying it. If you are not enjoying it, please explain why.

Seems the general consensus I am hearing is that the pvp is worse than before. More cheating, more win trading, and all around just poor ranking system. People are playing hundreds of matches with w/l of 50/50 and stuck in bronze rank.

I would like to hear what people enjoy about it. We have heard plenty of people complain about the things listed above, but what do you actually enjoy? They are making balance changes so its hard to say its balanced. They have openly admitted to rampant cheating so its hard to say its competitive.

I want to enjoy pvp in this game. Explain to me how you are having fun, perhaps we can all try to do what you are doing and you can help others enjoy this system.

It's not more cheating or more wintrading. Feast used to be purely wintrading all other seasons.
It's more apparent because now we're actually playing it besides all the wintraders.
Frontline doesn't have any more/less cheating or wintrading.

I love the current pvp, for me they've fixed it. All i want is for them to flick all the cheaters away & bann/disable addons to work in pvp & more balancing, other than that im 100% satisifed.
This is THE best pvp has ever been since it came out.
And no matter how much this incredibly teeny tiny minority complains (which i think is less than 1% than who actually plays the pvp atm), the incredibly packed & insta queue popping even at 1-7am EU time, proves that they did it right.

[Flamvell]

"It's not more cheating or more wintrading. Feast used to be purely wintrading all other seasons."

There are countless discord servers now, spreading scripts for every job class. The more people play, the more they demand ways to cheat, especially because pvp is really bad and imbalanced right now.
People will grind their series rewards and then it will be dead until the next season. Wake up lmao.

[Freemind]

"It's not more cheating or more wintrading. Feast used to be purely wintrading all other seasons."

There are countless discord servers now, spreading scripts for every job class. The more people play, the more they demand ways to cheat, especially because pvp is really bad and imbalanced right now.
People will grind their series rewards and then it will be dead until the next season. Wake up lmao.

Ye it's happening because of the popularity from the pvp, considering how feast was dead, there was no need to make any scripts, because you had no one to fight.
SQE needs to adress these issues & it will be fine.
Your doom preaching is getting boring. The pvp has been out for what, a month? Relax.

[Amelimie]

Unless you play a broken meta job, no its not fun! The matching making is the biggest issue for me followed close by the balance issues. I mean they buffed ninja what god dam data they looking at to make that decision. 3rd party program users are becoming another problem, what would be perfect is real in game GM to call like we had in FFXI!
When you have a balanced team game, all same jobs or roles yea its ok...

[Anhra]

I enjoy the PvP enough, to commit multiple evening hours to Ranked Matches, mostly as BLM.

As for the why, for the simple enjoyment of becoming a better overall Player and to assert dominance over those who limit themselves by following the Meta.

But the thing i enjoy most, is to see almost all the Feast top rankers (from the data center im in) struggle to win despite being apparently so good at PvP.

[Amelimie]

Ye it's happening because of the popularity from the pvp, considering how feast was dead, there was no need to make any scripts, because you had no one to fight.
SQE needs to adress these issues & it will be fine.
Your doom preaching is getting boring. The pvp has been out for what, a month? Relax.

He has good point unless SE drops the hammer hard on 3rd party users game mode will die and none of us want that. Thing is I know PVP being popular is somewhat new for NA and EU. On Jp pvp has always been big deal. Even before CC, every night we have non stop FL 3 mins queues for 6-8 hours, RW organised weekends with non stop queues, but we never had huge hacker problem until now. Given that SE does nothing about add on users... market bots, map bots, PVE bots chances are pretty low they will take action on pvp cheats, rather ban me for spamming push the crystal...

[Flamvell]

Ye it's happening because of the popularity from the pvp, considering how feast was dead, there was no need to make any scripts, because you had no one to fight.
SQE needs to adress these issues & it will be fine.
Your doom preaching is getting boring. The pvp has been out for what, a month? Relax.

I'Ve been playing The Feast since the first season and made it into the top 100 about 4 times, also been playing and watching the drama around CC. I dare to say that I kind of know the community by now,
well enough to be more than a "doom preacher", at least.

SQE will never do something about the bots and cheaters, they've ignored it for years already. They rather punish for inappropriate emotes.

[LowIQ]

And no matter how much this incredibly teeny tiny minority complains (which i think is less than 1% than who actually plays the pvp atm), the incredibly packed & insta queue popping even at 1-7am EU time, proves that they did it right.

This is hilarious. As if the instant queues weren't because the mode is brand new + garo + usual start-of-season rush.

[Enjuden]

I had a lot of fun with it to be honest. The bugs really sapped the fun out of PvP since people exploited said bugs constantly. Now that they're fixed for the most part, it got a lot better, and feels a lot better.

Some jobs I think still need adjustments but I think this system is equal to Heavensward, just an obviously different feel. I did not pvp in Stormblood or Shadowbringers so I can't compare it to those pvp abilities. I remember people were far tankier in Heavensward, but abilities were just copy/pasted from the pve part of the game too. It's been a while, so I might not remember right.