Are you enjoying this?

[iluke77]

now to blow youre mind OP ..

if the Goro event wasnt attached to the pvp would people really bother that much with it ??

my answer hell no its fun but i lose more than win so ive basically given up on both the event and the new pvp

like all pvp in ffxiv its full of win swappers , cheaters , bugs , exploits then the majority get super bored and stop it hence why frontline has a more than 30min que all the time !!

[Xylira]

After about a month of the changes, no, no I am not enjoying the pvp changes.

Things were fun at first, as in the first week maybe while everyone was still getting used to things and the meta wasn't figured out yet. But things have just devolved into a frustrating mess of people clearly abusing poorly balanced mechanics, stacking the meta classes, or very blatantly abusing addons to instantly react to counter with inhuman timing. It's extremely obvious that SE put no effort into even attempting to balance frontlines, and that's really all I ever cared about.

If it weren't for the Garo event I would have stopped PvPing a couple weeks ago. Even now I'm questioning how much more I want to put up with it because I'm really not enjoying the time I spend in PvP. Most losses feel cheap because of extremely skewed teams, and most of my wins have also felt hollow for the same reason. Things used to be more tactical, now it's whoever can stack the most 'meta' classes and abuse badly balanced mechanics the most.

[Sidamel]

Well you aren't alone. Most frontliners I talked to are extremely disappointed. But what does it matter or change?

For example I already wrote the 2nd day that premades will steamroll frontlines more than they could ever done before and I was damned right. But yet again - does it matter?

I used to say the following:
If I would play in pve dungeons like many play in frontlines I would be kicked after a few minutes.

[Corbeau]

Still enjoying Crystalline Conflict. And yes, it absolutely stands on it's own without the event. I got all that I wanted from the event the last time it was around - and hell, I'm capped on both PvP currencies - yet I'm still happy to play more. PvP is the entire reason I'm still subscribed.

[Asstera]

It's fun, but it's starting to get boring really fast.

Frontline: Some map are too long. And the ''meta'' of that mode mainly about AoE'ing down people. But people geting better at clumping less.

CC: More Burst, and stuns win you the match. If you have those job that can 100-0 someone wth the low CD stunners to set the mup. it's boring.


Overall the current meta. is having class that unplug your opponent keyboard for 2-3 sec then 100-0. Stuns are a very hard CC to appreciate and balance.
But we still need thsoe to prevent sustain dmg/healing job to be the new op.
Good luck fing balance with stun/burst meta
and long sustained fights lol.

[Ah_Tom_Boh]

I would say play the way you want and how you want. This is Season One. There are a lot of issues out there. ex: matching problems, job balancing, cheating, and so on. Since PVP dev wants to bring in something new, they will have to fix them.
I have been stuck at Bronze 3, Silver 3, and Gold 4, and stop there. Currently, the matching system does not make sense to me. I found myself having more fun in Casual matches since I don't really need to care about winning or losing, so I just purely enjoy playing the job and working with the team I got there. yes, you can get all newbies on your side, or hardcore like win a game in 30 seconds. However, I found it is more fun.

[BraveKaiser]

No. I don't like CC.

Bit of a disclaimer: I'm no PvP master. I admit that a lot of the losses I've had are my fault, despite me trying changes to lessen the losses (i.e. get enemy team health bars near hotbars, turn off battle effect, etc.), and that PvP's likely not for me.

With that said, holy crap I hate CC.

Whenever I play Ranked or Casual, no matter the time of day, 8/10 I'm with other players who think that "run around like a headless chicken " or "focus on enemy players, forget about the stupid crystal" is a good strategy, and I end up getting swarmed by the other team's players, even if I'm not a job that's considered OP, and I'm sick of it.

Why bother with PvP if I'm having a hard time? For the GARO event and Rank 25 rewards.

I got into the game right as the 1st GARO event was coming to an end, and I had hoped that I would get another chance someday. When I heard that it was finally coming back, I hoped that the requirements for getting the gear/mounts would be easier, as last time I tried & failed to get through Feast with only one win. Unfortunately that wasn't the case, and I hoped that I would at least be paired up with players who weren't as good like me after a while. Either "players who weren't as good like me" becomes "players that don't care about the game mode", or I just have bad luck, because all of my CC matches have been as Umbra, and I almost always end up with possibly the worst kind of team one can get.

Frontline, on the other hand, is right around 50/50. Sure, there's times where I'm on an Alliance where the players go anywhere and no one is calling out where to go or what to do (I'm certainly no leader so I never tried), but there are times when I have either a winning game or get close to one, but end up losing either cause of being out of time or the other team(s) being better. Heck, I managed to get the Frontline GARO mount recently.

Sadly, while CC and I apparently don't mix, I can't say that I have a solution for it. I don't know how to determine who's cheating/ a bot/ very good at the mode aside from comparing wins/assists to their losses. I also refuse to join in on the cheating because it would never work out (even if I knew how to hack), and I can't "get gud" because as far as I know, there's no preparing for what kind of player you may meet.

Ultimately, with how upset I've been getting every time I try CC, I'm strongly leaning towards leaving the mode behind until GARO nearly ends again, and just do Daily Frontline stuff instead. Will I miss out on the Rank 25 gear? Maybe not, I heard it'll go to the Trophy Crystal merchant's list of wares after 6.18, so that may be what I need to do.

TL;DR, I despise CC for multiple reasons, I can't determine how to turn it around, & since I'm not having fun, my only option is to stop playing it before I explode.

Honestly, if PvP goes to crap again as it apparently did before 6.0, I wouldn't care less.

[Ransu]

So in essence you don't actually dislike CC, you just don't like PvP in general making your entire post meaningless.

[BraveKaiser]

So in essence you don't actually dislike CC, you just don't like PvP in general making your entire post meaningless.

Well, I admit that PvP isn't something I'm fond of, but CC I do hate more than Frontline. And I don't know if it's due to the different ways to communicate between the modes, or how different they are.

And no, I'm not gonna complain about the communication system for CC. I get the reason, it's so no toxicity goes about (much as I'd hate to admit it, there's been times where I've gotten angry at the lack of focus in a match where I almost could swear at someone, which is never okay).

I dunno, maybe in a year or two it'll get much better for those of us who struggle with it (maybe limit it to where each of the players, both Umbra and Astra, are their own jobs), but right now I just can't.

[Lymberey]

I do like PVP for several reasons. The main reason is gimmick and unique LB, the close second is gear independent, and the last reason, limited chat.

I used to play alot of PVP games, but most games aren't exactly flexible or unique in their designs.
Some games, every single class is the same with some differences, but it boils down to being very spammy.
Still, those games are designed based on 1-1 situation so the design is going to be different from team-based design.
Unique LBs are pretty much like Ults from MOBAs, a genre which i also play. Love it.

Being gear-independent is very very fantastic. Most game i played, PVP progression mostly tied to your gear, and level, and you need to grind the shit out of it for eternity. cough cough Korean and Chinese MMOs cough cough Now i dont have to grind those gear, put up with the notorious enhancement system, or powerleveling every single patch and can log off to do something else. Still, there are games that are good at gearing system, like Guild Wars II for example.

People might say limited chat is bad, but for me? Im too tired from handling a lot of foul-mouthed kids and adults from other games. It doesn't matter if i win or lose, i just absolutely despise these people. I know trashtalking is very common in competitive environment, but being respectful is also a common sense and courtesy.
There are some toxicity, yes, but i had a lot of experiences in open-world PK cesspools so its not that big of a deal. However, i do understand why the devs are very sensitive to toxicity and i don't disagree with them.