Give us more Thief Maps!

[Bill_Murray]

Ideally I'd like to see either:

• Thief maps dropped from all map dungeons 70 and above
• Thief maps tradable and purchasable on the market board
• Thief maps as a reward from moogle tomestones (perhaps instead of Ostensibly Special Timeworn Maps)

These are excellent ideas. Seconded.

[Asuka-Hykiri]

Be nice to not be doing thief maps for another 24 months... lol

[Mulch]

Yes, please! While I feel the Hidden Canals were fine during Stormblood due to a steady supply of maps entering the economy from normal map runners, and while I feel the chance of getting to the end once actually inside is befitting of the rarity of the achievement, thief maps themselves have become far too obnoxious to obtain nowadays since gazelleskin maps are so rarely run by players.

Ideally I'd like to see either:

• Thief maps dropped from all map dungeons 70 and above
• Thief maps tradable and purchasable on the market board
• Thief maps as a reward from moogle tomestones (perhaps instead of Ostensibly Special Timeworn Maps)

Any single one of these would be enough to ease the burden and make it a much more palatable achievement to go for, while still maintaining most of the sense of rarity and accomplishment for the couple thousand maps required to complete the Hidden Canals 20 times.

All of these would be nice yes yes think I am still sitting on like 60+ lvl 80 ones from the last mogtome event

[Asuka-Hykiri]

Another 9 thief maps today (56 Gazelles) and still no clears lol

Roll on the 100+ we need to do on Saturday/Sunday

[shandreax]

Thief Maps are mentally destroying! Trying to get this achievement is anything but fun and the only items of value for doing this huge grind, rare pets etc. SE has happily made these readily available in other ways so this is nothing but an absolutely boring grind with no bonus.

And than there is the odds: Thief Maps have 7 floors 1st floor is guaranteed, but than there 6 more floors with a set of 3 doors giving you a 33% chance to get to the next floor. Here are the basic odds. MATH TIME to get to (2nd floor)33% x (third floor)33% x (4th floor)33% x (5th floor)33% x (6th floor)33% x (7th floor clear)33% = 0.137% chance of getting the clear. So with this percent all you have to do is divide 20 by .00137 which equals 14,599 THIEF MAPS. Please note we avg maybe 60-70 gazelle skin maps per run of 4.5 hours that give us 8 - 10 thief maps. so lets round this up to 10 thief maps a full evening of running maps. divide 14,599 by 10 = 1459.9 (fyi this would be number of days needed) amount of pure hours time lost just running the maps not getting them etc would be 1459.9 x 4.5 hours = 6569.55 hours.

((I would like to note that this is playing the odds and some people do get lucky, please see lottery winners but most people do not win.))

So get your RNG prayer beads out!

[Asuka-Hykiri]

https://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../blog/4347856/

Has a good breakdown of someone completing it 20 times. Took 2 years, 4 months. requiring 1559 maps (which is a very low end of the number) and 7351 Gazelle maps before alters, and 5806 after. So we'll call it 10,000 maps as the thief map drop rate increased after.

We typically do 150 a week, (usually takes about 10-15 hours, but for now just going on volumn) then thats about 67 weeks of doing maps at that rate. If we're not as lucky, that's going to be higher.

[shandreax]

SE needs to change this 'Title' its not lucky at ALL!!


"Sheer Persistence and Loss of Soul" "Maps are supposed to be for the CASUAL PLAYER wanting to have fun." - SE

[Asuka-Hykiri]

MATH TIME to get to (2nd floor)30% x (third floor)30% x (4th floor)30% x (5th floor)30% x (6th floor)30% x (7th floor clear)30% = 0.0729%
So get your RNG prayer beads out!

It's actually 0.137% to get a clear so not AS bad, but still pretty terrible lol

[Spofie]

Definitely boosting/upvoting all the great ideas here. This achievement is true RNG torture.

[NaiaLalita]

Throwing my support behind this! We've gone through years of new content and new types of maps without any adjustments to older content in consideration of the limitations imposed by virtue of the popularity of newer stuff.

On top of the things mentioned here already, I'd love for the 18-hour Map Allowance to be reconsidered/re-worked. It's been the same way at least since Stormblood early access, I think, and even then it was in need of some adjustments. Now we've had three whole expansions of new maps and items added, but the Map Allowance is exactly the same.
Either we need the allowance to be lowered somewhat, to allow for more maps in general to be gathered (and hopefully saturation of new maps would encourage players to dip into older maps) OR we need separate timers for different tiers of content (for example, a separate 18-hour timer for ARR maps, HW maps, SB maps, ShB maps, EW maps, and etc going forward).

I love doing treasure maps, I think they're super fun content! But the achievements and other rewards do not age well at all and need some TLC.