Remove silence

[Gserpent]

"being better than 95% of the community has nothing to do with skill"
lmao next you're going to tell me the endless stun no DR vanilla rogue was perfectly balanced. A full fledged stun meta with ranged disables isn't at all a healthy pvp experience.

Dude, every single competitive game in existence is balanced around the top end of player skill. This one isn't an exception.

Stop asking for nerfs when you could instead just redirect the effort you're wasting here at learning from your mistakes. There is no "stun meta." CC is completely fine. You have Guard and Purify for a reason. If those aren't enough, then it's because you're playing badly and you need to fix that.

[IsaacMerquise]

Dude, every single competitive game in existence is balanced around the top end of player skill. This one isn't an exception.

Stop asking for nerfs when you could instead just redirect the effort you're wasting here at learning from your mistakes. There is no "stun meta." CC is completely fine. You have Guard and Purify for a reason. If those aren't enough, then it's because you're playing badly and you need to fix that.

tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Ransu]

Dude, every single competitive game in existence is balanced around the top end of player skill. This one isn't an exception.

Stop asking for nerfs when you could instead just redirect the effort you're wasting here at learning from your mistakes. There is no "stun meta." CC is completely fine. You have Guard and Purify for a reason. If those aren't enough, then it's because you're playing badly and you need to fix that.

1.) If only that were true. So many fighting games would be in a much better place and wouldn't have so many garbage comeback meter/super mechanics for the sake of being ultra flashy for the casual players while being downright infuriating for top tier players. Or when they do listen, they only half listen and make things worse like the mangler in halo infinite. Top players simply just said to put it on a longer spawn timer. Instead they just nerf it by removing the shoot+melee combo making the game mediocre.

2.) I lol'd. Purify is garbage and guard is just a delay tactic that doesn't work half the time. To say there's no stun meta when the best way to control a fight and focus people down is through stun locking is comical at best. You clearly have no idea how to play.

[IsaacMerquise]

1.) If only that were true. So many fighting games would be in a much better place and wouldn't have so many garbage comeback meter/super mechanics for the sake of being ultra flashy for the casual players while being downright infuriating for top tier players. Or when they do listen, they only half listen and make things worse like the mangler in halo infinite. Top players simply just said to put it on a longer spawn timer. Instead they just nerf it by removing the shoot+melee combo making the game mediocre.

2.) I lol'd. Purify is garbage and guard is just a delay tactic that doesn't work half the time. To say there's no stun meta when the best way to control a fight and focus people down is through stun locking is comical at best. You clearly have no idea how to play.

Comical is putting it lightly. To say that there's no crowd control meta is completely delusional. Stuns and disables are by far and away the strongest aspects of deciding which team wins.

[Gserpent]

tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.

Cool.

So they nerf throws because newbies don't understand that you can't block throws, right?

They nerf awp because newbies don't know how to cross doorways without leaving their ass hanging out, right?

It's unfair that zerg can F2 banelings into my clump of marines; they should nerf baneling damage, right?

Axe got nerfed because newbies don't understand that standing next to him and attacking results in getting hit by Counterhelix, right?

Oh, wait.

Dude, you're the one making a thread to whine about dying to silences. You really have no place to try and tell others that they don't know what they're talking about when you can't even grasp basic gameplay concepts. Like I said: spend less time whining on forums and more time actually working on identifying and addressing flaws in your play and you'll find that the balance problems you think exist, don't actually exist.

[Likethewind]

They just need to remove pvp at this point. They can't balance anything

[Mistress_Irika]

The crowd control is fine. They just need to implement diminishing returns again. That's all.

[IsaacMerquise]

Cool.

So they nerf throws because newbies don't understand that you can't block throws, right?

They nerf awp because newbies don't know how to cross doorways without leaving their ass hanging out, right?

It's unfair that zerg can F2 banelings into my clump of marines; they should nerf baneling damage, right?

Axe got nerfed because newbies don't understand that standing next to him and attacking results in getting hit by Counterhelix, right?

Oh, wait.

Dude, you're the one making a thread to whine about dying to silences. You really have no place to try and tell others that they don't know what they're talking about when you can't even grasp basic gameplay concepts. Like I said: spend less time whining on forums and more time actually working on identifying and addressing flaws in your play and you'll find that the balance problems you think exist, don't actually exist.

so you just compared mmo pvp to both a first person shooter, an rts, and a moba and think that's all relevant in your understanding on how balance should work? Lmao. Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm making a thread about something that's entirely broken because of its extreme ease of shutting people down at range with it. And your argument of "just use purify lol" gets immediately shattered by them having almost half the cooldown purify does. The fact that there's no diminishing returns for crowd control makes a ranged shut down on such a short cooldown way too strong. The only reason I don't hate on polymorph more is because it's not tied to multiple jobs.

[Gserpent]

so you just compared mmo pvp to both a first person shooter, an rts, and a moba and think that's all relevant in your understanding on how balance should work? Lmao. Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm making a thread about something that's entirely broken because of its extreme ease of shutting people down at range with it. And your argument of "just use purify lol" gets immediately shattered by them having almost half the cooldown purify does. The fact that there's no diminishing returns for crowd control makes a ranged shut down on such a short cooldown way too strong. The only reason I don't hate on polymorph more is because it's not tied to multiple jobs.

Weird. I deal with silence, stun, and polymorph in all of my games and yet I never have issues handling it.

You are not very good at the game. I recommend you spend less time whining on internet forums and more time practicing. Hell, you're on Crystal - swing by Wolves Den sometime and we can practice in duels if you'd like. If you're dying to CC chains, it's because you were out of position.

[IsaacMerquise]

Weird. I deal with silence, stun, and polymorph in all of my games and yet I never have issues handling it.

You are not very good at the game. I recommend you spend less time whining on internet forums and more time practicing. Hell, you're on Crystal - swing by Wolves Den sometime and we can practice in duels if you'd like. If you're dying to CC chains, it's because you were out of position.

I appreciate how you come back with insults and then "lets just duel lol" which is nowhere remotely close to the same situation as a 5v5 with entire team kits loaded with control because of your lack of any proper rebuttle in a literal crowd control meta. Btw nah, I've steadily gaining credit every day in crystal, just because I understand what's unhealthy for a game doesn't make me a bad player.