hall of the advanced and hall of the expert idea

[pikalovr]

now i will preface this by saying yes you can learn most of the stuff taught here online in the balance discord, youtube etc.. but the point is more so that you have somewhere to actually learn/practice these things and get stuff down to muscle memory in game.

what i propose is since people do struggle with jobs and mechanics of said jobs these new halls would be more job specific (with the potential for more role generic halls if needed)

available at 50 (advanced) and current expansions max level (expert) (would change depending on expansion of course so for example hall of experts would be changed to accommodate the level 100 changes which shouldn't be alot of change unless they change alot of the stuff taught or add new abilities that change how these things interact with eachother)

a few examples of things gone over.

for example disengaging and reengaging as a melee DPS using your gap closers/disengagers. take for example being taught as a DRG to use your elusive jump to disengage from the enemy who's casting a melee range AOE. so you'd see him start to cast you GCD elusive jump his cast finished as you exit elusive jump animation then you spinehsatter dive to hit your next GCD learning how to diminish downtime(of course this could also just be an overall melee DPS thing excluding i believe MNK possibly he would just move out and reengage i think)

and for the expert training you could teach DRGs about the double life of the dragon window

for ASTs you could teach card targeting simple (basically melee cards go to melee ranged cards go to ranged) and how to use your divination with the parties buff window

expert would teach you stuff like preplanning your earthly star and more complex card targeting (it'll show you that every 5seconds the MNK has a burst window and the NIN will have his burst every minute. so you want to play the card on MNK cause he will get more use out of the buff at that time. but at the minute mark NIN has bigger burst damage, so at that minute mark you need to have a card for his burst as well or you won't meet the DPS check for clearing that part)

of course i'm not an expert myself in every single job and know all the little nuance/tricks every job has but it would be nice to have more ways for people to practice/learn these things without needing outside resources

i would also have a portal appear beside the quest giver for the ending level 50 quest for each job. alongside being accessible from the novice hall NPC. the portal to the expert halls would appear near the role quest givers alongside of course being accessible from the novice hall NPC

also yes ik alot of people didn't use the novice hall, but thats not a reason to not attempt to give players that want to get better the resources necessary to do so. like for example alot of people want a more interactive SSS that throws mechanics out for you to dodge while doing your training

[StriderShinryu]

Yoshida used to be completely against anything further than a hall of the novice, but relatively recently it does seem like he's softened on that stance a bit. Personally, I'd be all for more in game tools to help players learn and improve.

[Vahlnir]

I've always felt that the Hall of the Novice needed to be expanded upon.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Make it mandatory for level boosters. You load straight into it and don't get to leave until you finish it in its entirety.

[pikalovr]

Make it mandatory for level boosters. You load straight into it and don't get to leave until you finish it in its entirety.

i wouldn't make it mandatory cause alot of the kits to experienced players can be learnt naturally/just looking at abilities. like i was shocked by how many kits i could guess the near optimal rotation/opener just by reading their abilities. but i would force them to log back in next to the novice hall NPC (dunno kow'd that work coding wise since not every mail carrier has a novice hall NPC near them i believe) and mention it alongside the novice and advanced halls for those that do want to learn their new kit while practicing it

[Vahlnir]

i wouldn't make it mandatory cause alot of the kits to experienced players can be learnt naturally/just looking at abilities. like i was shocked by how many kits i could guess the near optimal rotation/opener just by reading their abilities. but i would force them to log back in next to the novice hall NPC (dunno kow'd that work coding wise since not every mail carrier has a novice hall NPC near them i believe) and mention it alongside the novice and advanced halls for those that do want to learn their new kit while practicing it

Nah, I think it should be mandatory too.

[Moonsprite]

I think this is a great idea. It would be great if it gave gear for people when they complete it or poetics to buy gear. It wouldn’t be mandatory then, but it would incentivize people to complete it. Maybe level 30, level 50, and level 70.

Unfortunately, I don’t think they would add something like this. The reason being, they are using trusts to do the entire MSQ now. These trusts will most likely be counted as combat training for players.

[pikalovr]

I think this is a great idea. It would be great if it gave gear for people when they complete it or poetics to buy gear. It wouldn’t be mandatory then, but it would incentivize people to complete it. Maybe level 30, level 50, and level 70.

Unfortunately, I don’t think they would add something like this. The reason being, they are using trusts to do the entire MSQ now. These trusts will most likely be counted as combat training for players.

yeah i highly doubt it as well cause why help people learn kits when you can just get rid of stuff that went great for healers after all also i could see potential gear rewards for doing it like how you get stuff from doing hall of the novice but they'd have to make it more noticable that you get something

also i think trusts was more so added just so people can take their time in dungeons/trials/etc.. instead of dealing with the speedsters from roulettes

[Jojoya]

A job focused Hall won't happen because they would have to reprogram it every time they do more than just potency changes to jobs. That's an immense amount of effort with the number of jobs already in the game.

A mechanics based Hall would be easier to accomplish but even that would be a lot of work updating to include newly designed mechanics.

At least they seem willing to continue updating Hall of Novice with basic role based information. What it is now is quite a bit different from what it was when first released. I still wish they would add a Limit Break segment at the least. It still can take a long time for new players to learn it even exists unless they are used to it from other FF games or have good friends that explain it.

[pikalovr]

they don't have to reprogram it every time only if they add to/remove/change something that's already taught in them for example if AST gets a new DPS GCD to combo off malefic there's no reason to change the entire thing unless for example it reduces draw CD by 5s on use (and even then only one part would have to be looked at and tbh the same teachings would still apply regardless you just now have more cards to give out before the NIN window so you'd adjust the dummy health accordingly). you're teaching how to preplan earthly star and card targeting. they'd only have to make sure you're synced to current max level or level 50 since you wouldn't be using any new skills that wouldn't be part of the training anyways. and if some people do find ways to cheese the training good on them the other 95% of people using it are prolly learning/practicing new stuff