Thread: 6.1 Warrior Feedback

Originally Posted by Chopstix

another point is the conal used to require a target... now for aoes in particular it is incredibly annoying, GL hitting everything in a pack as a caster, if u dont need a target, u can aim ur aoe by moving ur character, this is especially pronounced in cases where the mobs r in a fixed spot and it is literally impossible to hit everything with old conal overpower... a case in point is p3s dark orbs, orbs in zodiark extreme, UWU ifrit phase where u had to move the boss to be able to aoe nails thus being dangerously close to eruptions and maybe even annoying some melee dps

I call bs on Zodiark and P3s Circle Overpower usage. Idk about uwu never tried it.

Also most people here are talking about dungeons. As for me, I just havent bothered with dungeons since idk...a day or 2 after the change.

Originally Posted by Chopstix

pointing half the mobs at the party in a dungeon? really? who cares? every other tank does that, they r used to it and it also does not matter

aoe is exactly as big as mythril tempest, if u cant land that one on everything i dont know what to tell u

having a conal aoe that sticks out like a sore thumbs is not a job identity, it is a PITA

just use provoke/tomahawk to get the mobs to gather up by the time u r close use one circle aoe, there done, now go to the next pack

i think u r misunderstanding my point in general... i dont particularly care if all the warrior aoes r a conal or a circle, i just want them to be the same shape, be it one or the other, and not have to run around every goddamn GCD

another point is the conal used to require a target... now for aoes in particular it is incredibly annoying, GL hitting everything in a pack as a caster, if u dont need a target, u can aim ur aoe by moving ur character, this is especially pronounced in cases where the mobs r in a fixed spot and it is literally impossible to hit everything with old conal overpower... a case in point is p3s dark orbs, orbs in zodiark extreme, UWU ifrit phase where u had to move the boss to be able to aoe nails thus being dangerously close to eruptions and maybe even annoying some melee dps

in essence, crying about the conal change in my mind is so incredibly out of this world that i still struggle to understand y one would want to go back to that nightmare.... it is harder to land ur other MORE POWERFUL aoes on everything because u have to run around all the time, sometimes it is even impossible to hit everything cause of the shape/range and target requirement, u cannot manually aim cause target needed... it is night and day and i hope one day u will realise that

I'm going to genuinely ask about the p3s one, conal overpower and fell-cleave-only inner release have never coexisted - is it better to delay the inner release that comes up at dark fires/delay the opening one and have it all reset during bird adds? As I recall, people who deeply cared about coloured numbers for zodiark ex used inner release/decimates on zodiark's balls. I can't speak about uwu, frankly ultimates don't really interest me as much as fishing.

With regard to pulling with tomahawk: the increased range on conal overpower made it a superior tool for pulling as it'd grab the entire mob pack and let you more quickly enter whatever it is they call storm's eye these days.

With regard to the required target point: primal rend requires a target, as does DRK's flood of shadow/darkness. Generally speaking it's good practice to have a target selected anyway for autoattack damage and to make sure you're able to interject/stun the annoying mob out of whatever it is that it does in this example.

I just struggle to break the habit of positioning like Overpower and Decimate are still cones.

Originally Posted by fulminating

I'm going to genuinely ask about the p3s one, conal overpower and fell-cleave-only inner release have never coexisted - is it better to delay the inner release that comes up at dark fires/delay the opening one and have it all reset during bird adds? As I recall, people who deeply cared about coloured numbers for zodiark ex used inner release/decimates on zodiark's balls. I can't speak about uwu, frankly ultimates don't really interest me as much as fishing.

With regard to pulling with tomahawk: the increased range on conal overpower made it a superior tool for pulling as it'd grab the entire mob pack and let you more quickly enter whatever it is they call storm's eye these days.

With regard to the required target point: primal rend requires a target, as does DRK's flood of shadow/darkness. Generally speaking it's good practice to have a target selected anyway for autoattack damage and to make sure you're able to interject/stun the annoying mob out of whatever it is that it does in this example.

personally i delay IR a bit there in p3s and use one infuriate stack for aoe, then go into IR

tomahawk since EW has 20 range, provoke has 25 by the time u and the adds reach each other ur gcd should be about up.... pulling adds with overpower (literally hitting the entire pack with 1 conal) sometimes works, sometimes does not, i can just off the top of my head think of several instances where the adds r so spread out there is not a chance in hell u hit everything with one conal that u guys keep bringing up

u in fact mentioned a point y targetted conal was bad in dungeons... u need a target for stun/interject, imagine that coming up at awkward times having to juggle ur targetting AND ur positioning at the same time, as opposed to being able to aoe freely and cycle through targets freely because it wont mess up ur aoe rotation

sounds like most of u crying about this change r casuals (nothing wrong with that), but from that fact im quite positive that a lot of u were missing out on lots of free dmg by not landing all of ur aoes on a double/triple pack due to having to reposition every time, this change is essentially a free DPS boost for u

Originally Posted by Chopstix

but from that fact im quite positive that a lot of u were missing out on lots of free dmg by not landing all of ur aoes on a double/triple pack due to having to reposition every time, this change is essentially a free DPS boost for u

Have you read all the other thread? Missing with old overpower? Speak for yourself, ffs.

Originally Posted by Ralt21

Have you read all the other thread? Missing with old overpower? Speak for yourself, ffs.

Yeah I never had problems with the old overpower. The new one is a rather heavy nerf to the first stage since the frontal cone on overpower had significant reach. It made dealing with grabbing adds during dungeons and other instances FAR easier than the circle aoe that other tanks had, so I don't know if this was a nerf cloaked as a "benefit" or not.

Also the animations for the warrior do not match the circle aoe pattern either.

Originally Posted by Colt47

Also the animations for the warrior do not match the circle aoe pattern either.

I always interpreted the marauder half of warrior as being sort of storm themed if that makes sense - so overpower being wave shaped was a nice touch on that front too

Originally Posted by Colt47

Also the animations for the warrior do not match the circle aoe pattern either.

Glad to know i am not the only one think this.

Thanks - that makes sense, I'll give it a shot next time.

If the mob pack is widely spread, provoke > overpower always worked well enough without having to stop sprinting. If something manages to escape, you can also use the heal and heal over time tick on equilibrium to generate aggro, similar to aurora.

Originally Posted by Chopstix

sounds like most of u crying about this change r casuals (nothing wrong with that), but from that fact im quite positive that a lot of u were missing out on lots of free dmg by not landing all of ur aoes on a double/triple pack due to having to reposition every time, this change is essentially a free DPS boost for u

It takes two minutes to learn to use the cone. Your reluctance or inabilty to do so says more than any high end duty clears you may have, particularly with trying to brush bad practices off as "they're used to it". It really isn't hard to shepherd mobs, and there's next to no damaging oGCDs warrior has to worry about. There's over 2 seconds between attacks and you're almost completely unkillable as long as there's a handful of enemies still alive. If you genuinely could not get your head around the positioning in dungeons, gunbreaker has comparable survivability and only circle centred on self aoes. Paladin I believe is another with primarily that style, but the confetior/blade of x combo has to target a specific enemy.

Originally Posted by Chopstix

tomahawk since EW has 20 range, provoke has 25 by the time u and the adds reach each other ur gcd should be about up.... pulling adds with overpower (literally hitting the entire pack with 1 conal) sometimes works, sometimes does not, i can just off the top of my head think of several instances where the adds r so spread out there is not a chance in hell u hit everything with one conal that u guys keep bringing up

The problem is now that it is a circle aoe, it's even harder to hit everything with one aoe while pulling and can end up missing multiple mobs, especially in the first few pulls in the new dungeon because of the smaller aoe range.

And for your last statement, I had no issue with moving around to hit everything with overpower and mythril tempest, especially when there are aoes going out forcing me to move anyway.