Remove the Mentor crown

[Retrisar]

Most mentors which i saw got no idea how to play own class or how to do mechanics in dungeons / trials. Sometimes even i would say that sprout is more knowledgeable than a mentor.

[Wolwosh]

If you remove it how will sprouts q into extremes through DF?
Real talk lets also remove the Legend titles. I've seen a few of them being mean, so removing it just like the letter Z would help a lot.

[Thorio]

1500 commendations is easy to do only if you beg for it everytime, otherwise no.
And mentors do need to experience a wide array of content, or you're telling me you can blaze trough the base game + 4 expansions in a day or two? Please, we both know your arguments are weak.

[GeminiReed]

The shape of the icon is not what makes it attractive it's the relative rarity. The only time the icon should be visible would be if the mentor queued via mentor queue. The list of registered mentors is a great idea and gets back to the spirit of the system. Move the mount to some other achievement. If there has to be a reward make it a 'gold watch'. Yes I'm well aware that wrist glams get hidden quite often.

Alternatively make the crown a "veteran crown". Give it to anybody who's got Tank, Heals, and DPS to level cap.

[Johners]

The shape of the icon is not what makes it attractive it's the relative rarity. The only time the icon should be visible would be if the mentor queued via mentor queue. The list of registered mentors is a great idea and gets back to the spirit of the system. Move the mount to some other achievement. If there has to be a reward make it a 'gold watch'. Yes I'm well aware that wrist glams get hidden quite often.

Alternatively make the crown a "veteran crown". Give it to anybody who's got Tank, Heals, and DPS to level cap.

Hard disagree on the "veteran crown". Most players are bang average and if we're giving a special badge to people that level a few different jobs, which you can do in a completely brain dead way, it doesn't solve the problem. The new and returning player icons are fine before it just signals someone is getting back into the game but anything else doesn't need to exist. Trade mentor is a joke you can get by copying and pasting from a guide (that's how I level DoH/DoL) and battle mentor is just a participation trophy, neither indicate actually knowing anything about the game and lowering the barrier would only make it worse.

[ZedxKayn]

The shape of the icon is not what makes it attractive it's the relative rarity. The only time the icon should be visible would be if the mentor queued via mentor queue. The list of registered mentors is a great idea and gets back to the spirit of the system. Move the mount to some other achievement. If there has to be a reward make it a 'gold watch'. Yes I'm well aware that wrist glams get hidden quite often.

Alternatively make the crown a "veteran crown". Give it to anybody who's got Tank, Heals, and DPS to level cap.

I do think whatever icon there would be for mentors should remain visible, I've been DM'd a few times in a starting city by players asking questions about the game when I was the only fully-fledged mentor in sight. I like it as a marker of "you can ask this person questions, that's something they signed up for"

[GeminiReed]

I do think whatever icon there would be for mentors should remain visible, I've been DM'd a few times in a starting city by players asking questions about the game when I was the only fully-fledged mentor in sight. I like it as a marker of "you can ask this person questions, that's something they signed up for"

That's why I like Krotan's list suggestion. It preserves the intent of the icon by making interested mentors available to answer questions outside of NN while making the status less attractive to those doing it for the wrong reason: Ability to add a flair to their nameplate.

[Johners]

Having played WoW for over a decade, I can safely say the majority of players are bang average and aren't in a position to give advice to anybody else. The same applies in FFXIV and when you look at the entry requirements for being a mentor, it's basically a participation trophy for people that started in earlier expansions with there being no skill requirement.

If the mentor system was skill based, it would only be for people clearing Savage and Ultimates which would dwindle down the pool of mentors quite drastically. Not to mention some people still buy clears and if I'm being entirely honest, do we want the "hardcore" raiding mentalities often shown in higher level gameplay being the entire mentor player pool of the new players of all skill levels? That's not a bash on high level players, you guys rock, but it wouldn't fix the system.

I think at this stage, it's just easier to remove the system. You don't need to be a mentor to give good advice or bad advice plus you can then avoid people having the crown for the wrong reasons. There's people that just have it as a participation trophy because they started long enough ago to have naturally met the full entry requirements. You also have players that just have it to farm the mount reward from the mentor roulette queue which certainly rears it's ugly head with a few high profile mentors that are also partnered Twitch streamers (the ones that get really upset when their mentor roulette queue is an 8-man piece of content because it's probably an old extreme).

The good mentors that actually want to help people don't need a badge, title and mount reward to keep doing that if they truly want to help people. The player base is much larger and different in comparison to when this system was first implemented, removing a poorly aged system wouldn't be bad for the game but rather just reflects where we're at today. As for the mentor roulette mount, make it a reward elsewhere or throw it on the cash store, I don't really think it matters where it ends up if the mentor system was removed.

[IckeDerTyp]

I don't see a problem with the crown.

People that wanna help, will help - with or without the crown.

It's up to the individual to blindly follow a mentors word. Or anyone's, really ^^

I do think the crown should be behind tougher prerequisites tho!

Like... Do every dungeon atleast once without being hit by a single AoE. Or something along these lines ^^

[UkcsAlias]

I do think the crown should be behind tougher prerequisites tho!

Like... Do every dungeon atleast once without being hit by a single AoE. Or something along these lines ^^

"i have avoided all AoE's and devestated all dungeons with easy. I am a perfect teacher"
2 minutes later
"you have to dps more and avoid getting hit"
player asks how
"practice"

A bad teacher remains a bad teacher, because teaching is a completely diffirent skill. You cant automate this. And the more status you put into a mentor status, the worse it gets because instead of being a mentor, they just use that to show of their ego. The best teachers are usualy not mentors for that reason. They see the crown as a downgrade. And in many cases those mentors are just sprouts within someone elses mentor network. And if the mentor himself simply doesnt care, and only cares about a good chat, you are very lucky because those networks are generaly the best. But it shows how flawed it is now.

I think the mentor network shouldnt require too much to join in, and just behave similar to an FC (except invites are replaced by requests of joining) but only restricted to chat. A channel can have multiple mentors in them (which do not get benefits and are only shown as mentor within that chat). The network can identify aspects which they can teach and contain multiple mentors. That way it just becomes a sort of centralized chatbox