Jobs need Status Ailments, Buffs and Debuffs back!

[Soge01]

Just going to throw this out here. Most of them were removed back during the tail end of Heavensward. Back then, I thought it was a terrible idea because...well, look at the state of job classes now. All of them have an over focus on just attacking and no genuine ability to affect the course of a fight besides occasionally adding a measly attack/defense boost and cutting down on the time you can hit an enemy again.

Ninja is really the last Job that even provides a genuine debuff to an enemy, and it's Vulnerability. That's it.

Jobs need something more to them than what they have right now. Bringing back Buffs, debuffs and status ailments would provide much needed identity and better diversity in gameplay.

Think about it!

[Hazama999]

I'd be down for it.

[Roxus]

I've been saying this for years, and I'm glad I'm not the only one.

[iGiveUpLoL]

With your system, some jobs are meant to play together (consider dragoon and bard in 3.x times). People eventually will adhere to this standard, cause who doesn't like faster kill time. Even with today's buffing system, just look at how many non-raid-buff jobs are in speed run. I'm talking about you - MACHINIST

[Soge01]

With your system, some jobs are meant to play together (consider dragoon and bard in 3.x times). People eventually will adhere to this standard, cause who doesn't like faster kill time. Even with today's buffing system, just look at how many non-raid-buff jobs are in speed run. I'm talking about you - MACHINIST

No matter what the devs do, there will always be a meta of sorts for which jobs are best to take in to do [Insert Name] type of content.

Even today certain jobs are still picked over others due to how well they synergize with another or what utility they bring.

However, for this problem, the Slash, Pierce and Blunt (lol!) ailment, it would be best to just make that an all encompassing Vulnerability debuff. Which is what we already have with Ninja's Mug.Though, it would be nice if a few other classes had that ability, too.

[IdowhatIwant]

With your system, some jobs are meant to play together (consider dragoon and bard in 3.x times). People eventually will adhere to this standard, cause who doesn't like faster kill time. Even with today's buffing system, just look at how many non-raid-buff jobs are in speed run. I'm talking about you - MACHINIST

How many people participate in speed run kills though?

I am willing to bet it's about the same or less than the number of people that participated in Mythic Raids in WoW.

[anhaato]

With your system, some jobs are meant to play together (consider dragoon and bard in 3.x times). People eventually will adhere to this standard, cause who doesn't like faster kill time. Even with today's buffing system, just look at how many non-raid-buff jobs are in speed run. I'm talking about you - MACHINIST

Is that really a problem? If jobs can synergize based on crit or piercing or whatever, why shouldn't they? What if we could have the good ol' drg-brd-sch party back while also getting something like, idk, gnb-mch-sge gun party meta with projectile resistance or whatever? Or make elemental resistance a real thing so you can then get a smn-blm-rdm triple caster meme party comp because of fire elemental resistance? Smn-rdm-whm for wind or earth? Add lightning dmg to drg and pair it with blm? The options are endless! Stuff like this could add so much flavor but they just won't do it, because then people might get picky about the jobs they enjoy playing with, like that's so awful! But they wouldn't, though, because getting picky about your open spots only makes them fill up slower and most people just want to fill up the party and clear asap.

As long as status effects are still a thing I believe there should be a handful of bottom line effects that can encompass a large number of jobs so you're still getting some benefit from them, but if people want to optimize off of a particular comp then that should be 100% allowed. And let's not pretend that hasn't always been a thing, even as recent as last pack the "meta" comp involved dnc-sam because they just synergized so well. And that's FINE! Content can still be cleared without the "meta" but if people want to chase a meta then let them!

[Kyrj]

I'll take anything over this copy paste bs we have now.

[RayneBoemir]

Rip Apocatastasis and Addle

[Jeeqbit]

The problem with certain jobs applying debuffs that synergize with certain other jobs is that it makes you want to exclude other jobs from the party.

The problem with a paladin applying a physical damage down when doing Rage of Halone was that Rage of Halone was sub-optimal and most bosses did magic damage. There was a boss that did a lot of heavy physical damage where I actually used it though and a certain tank buster where it could help.

I'm not certain which status ailments you mean. If we could silence, stun or paralyze a raid boss, it would be overpowered because we could interrupt the worst mechanics. We still sometimes have to use the replacement for silence (interrupt). We still have dots which is the same thing as a poison. We still have a form of damage reduction with reprisal, feint and addle.

I would not want to go back to the way Reprisal used to be, where it was locked behind a few layers of RNG so that it was never available when you actually wanted it. Back in Heavensward I dreamed of Reprisal working the way it does now.

I would not want to go back to where Spirits Within was a silence, because I want to use that for damage.