Very interesting...

[Xatsh]

That FFXI update record is why I have not given up hope on this game to be honest.

To know that they screwed up this bad before, and made a great mmo in the end that half a million ppl played for almost a decade.

To comment on the Cutural thing with JP vs Na players.

I think the issue between the JP and NAs is almost all a cultural thing. In general the NAs are more demanding, very short on patients, and extremely vocal on everything. On Xi with the partys a JP party would last for 3-5 hrs with almost no one leaving if they did they always got a replacement before they left, the JPs worked together and communicated with each other. In the NA partys people would just bail when they wanted out of the party and at least for awhile at the start they did what every they wanted to in partys... that is one of the reasons why JP players stopped partying with us alot, we where stupid, arrogant, stubborn noobs.

Even now on the forums you can see the difference between the mentality of the playerbases. I think JP players had 380 topics but they are probably about 10:1 in population of overall FFXIV players atm, NAs have around 1000 post... The thing is you will something like "I dislike how the targeting system is" on the JP forum with 300-400 responses of players giving thier opinions and how they want it fixed but on the NA forum you see 30 threads about the same thing with the same 100-300 ppl complaining on each of them with things like "yea this is why the game fails, this game sucks".

Using Google Translator I have not seen 1 troll in the JP forums, and there are at least 3-4 here who are very vocal in the NA forums. Just literally 2 different worlds, we all have the same complaints but approach them so differently.

[Kibo]

lol sound familiar?

LOL

I think the issue between the JP and NAs is almost all a cultural thing. In general the NAs are more demanding, very short on patients, and extremely vocal on everything. On Xi with the partys a JP party would last for 3-5 hrs with almost no one leaving if they did they always got a replacement before they left, the JPs worked together and communicated with each other. In the NA partys people would just bail when they wanted out of the party and at least for awhile at the start they did what every they wanted to in partys... that is one of the reasons why JP players stopped partying with us alot, we where stupid, arrogant, stubborn noobs.

Not to mention Japan is blatantly xenophobic. But it's understandable, considering their isolation and attitude towards "gai-jin" throughout history. I'm not much better myself tbh, having been raised in the same sort of "isolation".

And I have to agree about the average NA player, but not in XIV though. I've only been part of American LSs since launch, and none of them fit into your description. None of which I've met either. Except this one French guy. He was a complete asshole.

I'm Swedish, for the record. (^.^)V

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Most jp parties you will see them talking non stop. Fight or no fight. Where as NA are quiet for the most part. JP imo play the game to have fun. NA make it work to end game then kinda have fun.

[Jericho]

Biggest point of interest for me.

Launch: 5/16, 2002
Sky NMs: 12/16, 2003
Dynamis: 2/26, 2004

End-game events weren't released for 19-21 months.

[BadJoeRed]

That FFXI update record is why I have not given up hope on this game to be honest.

To know that they screwed up this bad before, and made a great mmo in the end that half a million ppl played for almost a decade.

To comment on the Cutural thing with JP vs Na players.

I think the issue between the JP and NAs is almost all a cultural thing. In general the NAs are more demanding, very short on patients, and extremely vocal on everything. On Xi with the partys a JP party would last for 3-5 hrs with almost no one leaving if they did they always got a replacement before they left, the JPs worked together and communicated with each other. In the NA partys people would just bail when they wanted out of the party and at least for awhile at the start they did what every they wanted to in partys... that is one of the reasons why JP players stopped partying with us alot, we where stupid, arrogant, stubborn noobs.

Even now on the forums you can see the difference between the mentality of the playerbases. I think JP players had 380 topics but they are probably about 10:1 in population of overall FFXIV players atm, NAs have around 1000 post... The thing is you will something like "I dislike how the targeting system is" on the JP forum with 300-400 responses of players giving thier opinions and how they want it fixed but on the NA forum you see 30 threads about the same thing with the same 100-300 ppl complaining on each of them with things like "yea this is why the game fails, this game sucks".

Using Google Translator I have not seen 1 troll in the JP forums, and there are at least 3-4 here who are very vocal in the NA forums. Just literally 2 different worlds, we all have the same complaints but approach them so differently.

Everything you say is true. While we obviously know that not 'all' people were like that, it was most common amongst us NA players.

[AnaviAnael]

To comment on the Cutural thing with JP vs Na players.

I think the issue between the JP and NAs is almost all a cultural thing. In general the NAs are more demanding, very short on patients, and extremely vocal on everything. On Xi with the partys a JP party would last for 3-5 hrs with almost no one leaving if they did they always got a replacement before they left, the JPs worked together and communicated with each other. In the NA partys people would just bail when they wanted out of the party and at least for awhile at the start they did what every they wanted to in partys... that is one of the reasons why JP players stopped partying with us alot, we where stupid, arrogant, stubborn noobs.

Honest to God, I found it to be the opposite in most of my XI parties. Most JP players would up and leave without finding a replacement, while NA and EU players did. (One explanation a friend of mine gave was that the JP's find it rude to assume a party would continue, while NA/EU players found it rude to not replace yourself.) This lead to a lot of frustration between JP and Western players.