Rampant cheating in PVP?

[CptBuckyOhare]

partying up is fun thing that I agree should be implemented.
thing is that pre-mades will wreck non-pre-mades, so put them together.
2+3 pre-made vs 2+3 pre-made or even 5v5, but dont put non-premade vs pre-made.
People will be on discord coordinating their attacks vs people that just need to go on visuals which makes it really unfair.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

thing is that pre-mades will wreck non-pre-mades

I dunno I gotta say I'm tired of hearing this excuse repeated infinitely by anyone who thinks people shouldn't be able to party up in a mode with 5v5.

You can get wrecked by WAR/WHM so we should stop WHM/WAR from pairing up.

You can get wrecked if someone has better macros for coordinating their team than you.

We can get wrecked by not having a tank/healer so if they can't have one, don't even start the match.

We can get wrecked by hackers and cheaters so don't even play the mode.

These all or nothing approaches provide no open possibilities for "fun" and/or change. At the end of the day I'd rather lose with my friends having fun making our glams be dwarves than be stomped by bots AND have to do it alone.

[CptBuckyOhare]

its a matter of advantage or not it's simple logic, just because you are tired of hearing it doesn't mean it's less true.
Go rant somewhere else

[Raistlin]

You can get wrecked by WAR/WHM

yeah, now imagine a WAR and WHM in sync in Discord, add it a SAM and a DRG holding their LB to team up.

premades vs no premades with this PvP system will win 95% the games.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

yeah, now imagine a WAR and WHM in sync in Discord, add it a SAM and a DRG holding their LB to team up.

premades vs no premades with this PvP system will win 95% the games.

But again you're acting like good players don't already do that. THat's why the LB <%> quick chat is a thing. I know because I've watched it happen and coordinated it with people.

If people want to make excuses they can but just going "if they can talk to each other it will ruin it" makes it where we might as well nerf any/all communication in the mode at that point if that's what we're worried about.

I'm just saying if we're going to say "But they can TALK to each other! That's no good!" then I have some bad news for you in a lot of other pvp games/lobby games lol. At least when you have to deal with screaming 13 year olds you can tell them what you're doing and where you're going.

Without more Quick Chat options or without premades this will eventually become unfun to even the most avid PVP fans because every match will be losing regardless of organization to either hackers or whm/war/rdm/drg/sam mobs anyways.

If I'm going to lose, I'd like to at least lose while having fun with friends. Nothing that you can do while in a discord call is something you can't currently do (to varying degrees of success and vagueness) with macros/quickchat/etc. It's just the current quick chat options are garbage compared to just about every other pvp offering on the market.

Other people actually caring enough to coordinate doesn't change the fact that many people will just ignore team collab efforts to go 1v5 the crystal for the 4th death in a row because they can't read "fall back and regroup" the 6th time you spam it.