ARR WHM is built different compared to the rest of the entire game pre-3.0

[HyperiusUltima]

I decided to do a bit of a venture into the new dungeons since they were reworked, and I did so - as a White Mage. It was definitely a different experience, bad tanks not withstanding, but I will say this: Once you hit Lv 50, you're in for a rude awakening.

I've begun to learn how Cure II and Cure fit into the equation for WHM a bit more despite our current end-game content emphasizing the constant use of oGCDs and HoTs, and we've certainly heard the stories about where Sylphies come from. I now know why.

Once you hit 50, you begin to see that there is VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE between Cure II and Cure - 600 HP recovery just about. It's about what you'd expect with how they try to bait you into using Cure a lot - and they did bait me - because the potency(700 vs. 450) for just a ~600 HP difference really didn't matter as much as it would for a whole GCD. I wasn't getting my healing out as fast as I should, yet with Cure I was able to do so because Cure II isn't substantial - not until you get to Heavensward, where they award you with Lilies to use for this reason.

I find it a mundane way to shoehorn people into "Baby's First Healer". By the time you start getting towards the end of Heavensward, you start to feel your Cure IIs have a bit more impact because the stats in particular have gone up - HP in particular. You see this consistently scale throughout Stormblood up until Shadowbringers, where Cure technically isn't needed anymore. Having some consistency early on would be very helpful in the long run so as to match how players play the job later on.

[EhvaTaco]

You can fix this easily by making Cure II a natural upgrade and lowering the MP cost to 700. Regen is also super good early on but people just sleep on it.

[Allegor]

Coming from WoW, as someone who mained a holy priest, my interpretation at first was Cure is the bread and butter heal, the one I'm supposed to use, and Cure II the more potent, costly, and longer one - the emergency heal that I should only use when things get spicy, or when freecure procs. I'm fairly certain that was the idea, but it's severely outdated, specially since they added the lilies. I don't think I've casted Cure in anything higher than Bryflox in years

[Chopstix]

I decided to do a bit of a venture into the new dungeons since they were reworked, and I did so - as a White Mage. It was definitely a different experience, bad tanks not withstanding, but I will say this: Once you hit Lv 50, you're in for a rude awakening.

I've begun to learn how Cure II and Cure fit into the equation for WHM a bit more despite our current end-game content emphasizing the constant use of oGCDs and HoTs, and we've certainly heard the stories about where Sylphies come from. I now know why.

Once you hit 50, you begin to see that there is VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE between Cure II and Cure - 600 HP recovery just about. It's about what you'd expect with how they try to bait you into using Cure a lot - and they did bait me - because the potency(700 vs. 450) for just a ~600 HP difference really didn't matter as much as it would for a whole GCD. I wasn't getting my healing out as fast as I should, yet with Cure I was able to do so because Cure II isn't substantial - not until you get to Heavensward, where they award you with Lilies to use for this reason.

I find it a mundane way to shoehorn people into "Baby's First Healer". By the time you start getting towards the end of Heavensward, you start to feel your Cure IIs have a bit more impact because the stats in particular have gone up - HP in particular. You see this consistently scale throughout Stormblood up until Shadowbringers, where Cure technically isn't needed anymore. Having some consistency early on would be very helpful in the long run so as to match how players play the job later on.

600 HP difference is an extremely awful way of looking at it

cure 2 heals 55% more than cure 1 at that level, period

MP in dungeons does not matter, you wasting more GCDs on cure 1 as opposed to using less cure 2s means you are using less offensive abilities = stuff takes longer to die, you need to heal more

[HyperiusUltima]

600 HP difference is an extremely awful way of looking at it

cure 2 heals 55% more than cure 1 at that level, period

MP in dungeons does not matter, you wasting more GCDs on cure 1 as opposed to using less cure 2s means you are using less offensive abilities = stuff takes longer to die, you need to heal more

It's one of the apparent issues that tricks people into thinking you should use Cure instead of Cure II. It doesn't heal for much more, and when the Tank isn't using their cooldowns and is getting hit multiple times, it becomes a difficulty where you're trying to keep the tank up and your Spell Speed isn't up to snuff unlike when you get halfway through HW.

[NobleWinter]

I have been incredibly irritated with White Mage's misleading skill progression since Heavensward. It enforces this mentality that GCD healing is priority by the way these heals are unlocked first and little else exists to replace them for so many levels. If I could do any minor changes, the first would be to make Cure instant cast. The first heal obtained should be mobile so you can chase tanks thru early dungeons and not need swiftcast to heal them. That would be a huge quality of life adjustment and it would make sense if Cure then upgraded into Regen at level 35 while retaining it's initial 400 potency. Then it would just be an equivalent to Aspected Benefic and no one thinks that spell on Astro is overpowered. Then Cure 2 would be obvious as the spammable single target heal since overwriting the Regen multiple times seems ridiculous. This would hopefully help get rid of people falling into the free cure trait trap.

[Rosa_Frandlia]

It's one of the apparent issues that tricks people into thinking you should use Cure instead of Cure II. It doesn't heal for much more, and when the Tank isn't using their cooldowns and is getting hit multiple times, it becomes a difficulty where you're trying to keep the tank up and your Spell Speed isn't up to snuff unlike when you get halfway through HW.

At least this isn't SB lilies where they were only generated from cure 1 and cure 2 and reduced the CD's on oGCD heals. That is also when WHM lost about half of its ARR skills and I was hoping when they said "reduce the level for getting skills" on WHM it would be more for HW skills moved into ARR to replace what has left a gaping hole there and not just reducing the level you get Lucid Dreaming on all healers.

I still miss using Blizzard 2 for aoe in low level dungeons on all healers.

[Silver-Strider]

At least this isn't SB lilies where they were only generated from cure 1 and cure 2 and reduced the CD's on oGCD heals. That is also when WHM lost about half of its ARR skills and I was hoping when they said "reduce the level for getting skills" on WHM it would be more for HW skills moved into ARR to replace what has left a gaping hole there and not just reducing the level you get Lucid Dreaming on all healers.

I still miss using Blizzard 2 for aoe in low level dungeons on all healers.

I had low hopes for that "reduce the level for getting skills" statement and was still disappointed. With all the skills they've removed over the years, it wouldn't even be hard to reintroduce half of them back as low level versions of some skills, like how they returned Steel Peak and Howling Fist for MNK but they couldn't even be bothered to do that.

[Allegor]

I had low hopes for that "reduce the level for getting skills" statement and was still disappointed. With all the skills they've removed over the years, it wouldn't even be hard to reintroduce half of them back as low level versions of some skills, like how they returned Steel Peak and Howling Fist for MNK but they couldn't even be bothered to do that.

WHM has to be the objectively most boring job to level as a new player. I, for one, would love to have at least Stoneskin now that there are tank busters as early as Copperbell, and CNJ doesn't learn a single new spell or ability between lv 12 and 30 (Stone II is just an upgrade, it doesn't count) and have it upgrade to Benison at 66

[Silver-Strider]

WHM has to be the objectively most boring job to level as a new player. I, for one, would love to have at least Stoneskin now that there are tank busters as early as Copperbell, and CNJ doesn't learn a single new spell or ability between lv 12 and 30 (Stone II is just an upgrade, it doesn't count) and have it upgrade to Benison at 66

I've been saying to rework Fluid Aura, Protect, Divine Seal and Stoneskin as low level versions of Assize, Aqua Veil, Temperance and Divine Benison. You have level 15/20/25 CNJ quests that they can just reward you with at least 3 of those skills (Fluid Aura, Protect and Stoneskin make the most thematic sense since Elemental magic and all that) and would make the leveling process actually teach you how to better utilize all your toolkit instead of trapping you in Freecure hell.