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  1. #1
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    CelestiCer's Avatar
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    6.08 Hissatsu: Kaiten Give it back !!! obviously, mhm.
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    Celesti Cer
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    Jenova
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HolyReign View Post
    I'm also sure that this fresh forum account was made purely because of your feelings towards this skills removal, and not created for creating yet another thread about the same topic that has been covered dozens of times already.
    I seen your passive aggressive/dismissing/trolling posts many a times. Aside from you doing exactly what you're stating... There are methods to check a players existence through "activity" if their validity is in question. By that, Liohna is a veteran - and you HolyReign...still a troll. So no, it is not " just " another account, it's a player feedback from an experienced player that's expressed and valued.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liohna View Post
    (Eng is not my native language, sorry for mistakes)
    Nothing new, the changes are just unaceptable,

    This can be really easily fixed: revert it. Now.

    Get this changes 2 weeks before ultimate is quite embarrassing, nerfing and job and kill the fun that much just leads people to switch to another jobs, enjoy if you don't have bis on this job.
    First, Welcome to the FFXIV Forums Liohna ^-^;

    English isn't my native language either, but I read you loud and clear mhm. From Cerberus I see, your solutions and feedback match quite many other Samurai's across other Datacenters and Servers. I am glad to see that it's almost unanimous regardless of where we're from, many agree that the 6.1 changes were unacceptable. Thank you for sharing your personal feedback. I'll add your voice to the " Compiled SAM thread against 6.1 / Kaiten removal ".
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    Last edited by CelestiCer; 04-24-2022 at 12:22 AM.

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    Liohna's Avatar
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    Liohna Wulf
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyReign View Post
    I'm also sure that this fresh forum account was made purely because of your feelings towards this skills removal, and not created for creating yet another thread about the same topic that has been covered dozens of times already.
    As Celesti said, you have my full name, that's easy to check if i'm "just another acount" i'm just a sadmurai, so upset by the murder of my job that i want to add my voice to those of my fellows, if there is so much thread, there is a reason.

    Thanks Celesti i really hope our voice will be heard!
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    cjbeagle's Avatar
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    Nishi Il
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liohna View Post
    sadmurai
    Lol! I've been trying to settle on a new main ever since they butchered samurai - maybe I'm just a sadmurai main and didn't realize it! XD I love puns, bless you.
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    I'm sorry that you feel it necessary to label me as a, "Troll." simply on the case that I have differing opinions and feelings about Kaiten, and it's removal.

    Also, feedback goes both ways, and there being a difference in opinions and feelings, certainly would be valued over just being dismissed because it doesn't echo what others have said.

    But no hard feelings, I know it must be hard on SAM mains to have the job's identity removed due to one less skill on their bars. No one likes changes to their favorite/main job, unless they are good buffs, ect.

    I hope that, people will start to see, that having a consistency to their DPS, with certain skills auto-critting, brings a certain level of elegance to the job, having a feel of being a true master of the blade with precise strikes and alike, opposed to a brute going HAM with a katana in hand.

    Happy Travels, and have a Great Day!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyReign View Post
    I hope that, people will start to see, that having a consistency to their DPS, with certain skills auto-critting, brings a certain level of elegance to the job, having a feel of being a true master of the blade with precise strikes and alike, opposed to a brute going HAM with a katana in hand.
    Kaiten was a big part of what made it feel elegant before, serving as a wind-up skill for that precise strike you're talking about - simply popping Iaijutsu is what feels like going ham.

    That said, I actually have nothing against auto-crit - I can see lowering variance as a worthy goal and that solution makes sense.

    The problem is that in the current iteration, the auto-crit feels weak. The new guaranteed crit hits for less than our previous non-crits hit for, and I say that literally.

    imo the auto-direct-crit that warriors get when using Berserk and Infuriate feels satisfying even though it's auto, and I'd argue that there's 2 primary reasons for that:

    1) Warriors have a wind-up skill for their auto-direct-crits - Berserk or Infuriate - which largely serve the same function that Kaiten used to, and they're not actually auto - they're only auto when prepped with a wind-up.

    2) When warriors auto-direct-crit a Fel Cleave, for example, it does WAY more damage than their kit typically outputs, making it feel extremely impactful.

    Samurai no longer has a wind-up skill and also no longer does way more damage with their auto-crits relative to the rest of their kit - and not because of potency nerfs, but because of the removal of Kaiten.
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    Last edited by cjbeagle; 04-24-2022 at 04:41 AM.

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