They need to make Crafting rely on buttons again

[DrFlesh]

the problem with crafting is how easy to lvl and farm materia is right now, imo "cheap melds" rotations should not exist and being able to 100% HQ crafts without using at least 75% HQ materials should be made impossible even with max melds

[Sarevok_Thordin]

I kind of wish there was a premium crafted gear tier which requires obscene amounts to get the materials for (comparatively anyway) and is expert level in crafting difficulty, but in the end, you'd get gear that is on part with the limited tome gear at that patch.

[RobynDaBank]

Balancing the game around bots is bad. Just ban the bots instead of inconveniencing legitimate players who don't want to repeat the same process but differently x99 times.

[Jojoya]

As the title states. Crafting needs to actually rely on the buttons and Condition again. Just like how Expert Crafts for Firmament were when competing. At current, Condition is useless and does nothing for the state of crafting. We have skills that are based off what Condition you currently have. But everyone just melds to a point that they Macro Craft base mats, then macro craft the final product. Not only would this breathe new life into the Crafting side of the game. But it would also stop third party users and bots from clogging the MB because they are never logged out and crafting 24/7. Otherwise without these changes, they might as well take Condition out (Which the way they keep dumbing things down with every new patch it seems, this might just become a thing. Which I hope it doesn't). The last time I actually had fun with crafting was during Firmament Competition to get my title against everyone else. It made you pay attention to what you were doing and actually KNOW what you were doing.

Bots were solving Expert Crafts during Firmament progress. You're a bit naive if you think your proposed changes will do anything to the bots on the marketboard. They'll only impact the player crafters relying on macros shared by others.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it doesn't solve the bot situation.

[Gemina]

OP, players will always follow the path of least resistance, and they can't make expert level crafting the norm. Granted, crafting can always be improved to incentivize players to actually learn how to do it, opposed to just looking up a macro, and hitting the stat requirements to be able to use it.

Speaking for myself, I don't ever use macros. Crafting for me is constantly a game of completing a 100% quality item in the fewest amount of steps. This means looking for and taking advantage of the various conditions. When you mass craft this way, you actually reduce the amount of time it takes to complete your session. Trying to get max collectability on expert level crafts would cost me around around 15 minutes (duration for a crafting medicine) to do two expert level crafts, or 3-4 in the time it takes for a food effect to expire. If this was demanded for just normal or even master book crafting, it would put me off of it for sure. I would imagine other players as well.

[NanaWiloh]

Dont miss rng and the eye bleeding greed driven prices of the old days. Glad its dead and gone..

[CrayonsAndPaint]

As the title states. Crafting needs to actually rely on the buttons and Condition again. Just like how Expert Crafts for Firmament were when competing. At current, Condition is useless and does nothing for the state of crafting. We have skills that are based off what Condition you currently have. But everyone just melds to a point that they Macro Craft base mats, then macro craft the final product. Not only would this breathe new life into the Crafting side of the game. But it would also stop third party users and bots from clogging the MB because they are never logged out and crafting 24/7. Otherwise without these changes, they might as well take Condition out (Which the way they keep dumbing things down with every new patch it seems, this might just become a thing. Which I hope it doesn't). The last time I actually had fun with crafting was during Firmament Competition to get my title against everyone else. It made you pay attention to what you were doing and actually KNOW what you were doing.

Don’t bother trying to ask for Harder crafting here. You’ll just get hit with “crafting was never hard” or “you just want it to be exclusive to elitists” or “I don’t have time for that” over and over again. This community has a sort of hatred/intolerance for people who actually prefer crafting to require more effort and thinking power. Here, Reddit, other forums of ffxiv, they literally all have the same insecurity and hatred towards it. When really it’s just a projection of them being afraid of crafting going back to how it used to be in Heavensward and A realm reborn. Where you basically could not mindlessly spam a macro to get the job done, you actually had to spend 2-3 minutes a craft…which also made things more pricey but it was worth it.

Trust me, I want more intuitive crafting but this community will always project their insecurities about it, hate it, and just play it off as “it was never hard” or “it’s tedious” when in reality, it actually used to be very time consuming, that’s what *made* it hard. So just don’t bother with these people, it won’t go anywhere.

[HReincarnate]

When really it’s just a projection of them being afraid of crafting going back to how it used to be in Heavensward and A realm reborn. Where you basically could not mindlessly spam a macro to get the job done, you actually had to spend 2-3 minutes a craft…which also made things more pricey but it was worth it.

Trust me, I want more intuitive crafting but this community will always project their insecurities about it, hate it, and just play it off as “it was never hard” or “it’s tedious” when in reality, it actually used to be very time consuming, that’s what *made* it hard. So just don’t bother with these people, it won’t go anywhere.

What is this take? It's not projection - crafting was easily macroed even back in Heavensward. The only difficult part of the system back then was use of specialists & the grind for materials via the scrip system. I would like it if crafted endgame gear was made via expert crafts from now on, but I won't pretend it ever required any complexity even back then.

[Kaurhz]

Don’t bother trying to ask for Harder crafting here. You’ll just get hit with “crafting was never hard” or “you just want it to be exclusive to elitists” or “I don’t have time for that” over and over again. This community has a sort of hatred/intolerance for people who actually prefer crafting to require more effort and thinking power. Here, Reddit, other forums of ffxiv, they literally all have the same insecurity and hatred towards it. When really it’s just a projection of them being afraid of crafting going back to how it used to be in Heavensward and A realm reborn. Where you basically could not mindlessly spam a macro to get the job done, you actually had to spend 2-3 minutes a craft…which also made things more pricey but it was worth it.

Trust me, I want more intuitive crafting but this community will always project their insecurities about it, hate it, and just play it off as “it was never hard” or “it’s tedious” when in reality, it actually used to be very time consuming, that’s what *made* it hard. So just don’t bother with these people, it won’t go anywhere.

I'm not sure what is more impressive, the mental gymnastics required to reach a conclusion that people are projecting their own insecurities because they cannot 'handle' the older crafting systems (Which need I might add never actually were difficult in the first place -- Just elongated), or the fact that you seem to have actually convinced yourself that a time-consuming system equivocates difficulty.

[NanaWiloh]

Don’t bother trying to ask for Harder crafting here. You’ll just get hit with “crafting was never hard” or “you just want it to be exclusive to elitists” or “I don’t have time for that” over and over again. This community has a sort of hatred/intolerance for people who actually prefer crafting to require more effort and thinking power. Here, Reddit, other forums of ffxiv, they literally all have the same insecurity and hatred towards it. When really it’s just a projection of them being afraid of crafting going back to how it used to be in Heavensward and A realm reborn. Where you basically could not mindlessly spam a macro to get the job done, you actually had to spend 2-3 minutes a craft…which also made things more pricey but it was worth it.

Trust me, I want more intuitive crafting but this community will always project their insecurities about it, hate it, and just play it off as “it was never hard” or “it’s tedious” when in reality, it actually used to be very time consuming, that’s what *made* it hard. So just don’t bother with these people, it won’t go anywhere.

You are prime example of whats wrong with both hardcore and casual crafters. The my way or the highway mindset. SE should remove crafting until both sides find a middle ground.