DPS/Healers pulling in dungeons

[Thorio]

They are expanding it quickly. Soon all important dungeons will have trusts and if the game dies as an mmo it won't be because developers put in a solo option, but because players could never get along or be polite to each other so they'd rather do things alone. I would be shocked if any developer comes into these forums and doesn't conclude "wow these people hate each other, we need to make this solo friendly".

It has been happening since ARR when their final msq dungeons admittedly, badly designed, brought out the worst in people and vets steamrolled the content without any regard for the newbies watching the cutscenes. It's not new, just the logical outcome.

Yeah I'm not about to stop playing the game for god knows how long it will take for it to reach sb since not even hw has it yet. People can chill when they see "one or more players are new to this duty" message so it's fine, we're not on a schedule and ffxiv isn't my life.

[LalaLlama]

As a Sprout healer that isn't even out of Stormblood yet, and who never touched Healing in any other MMO (Mainly played DPS in WoW), if the tank is going too slow, I'ma pull more. I want the dungeon to be engaging for me, not "sit and spam my AoE and nothing else because tanks/DPS are taking pitiful damage". I'm not pulling extra to be an a-hole, I'm pulling extra because I want to get enjoyment too, rather than pressing 1 ability for the duration of the whole dungeon.

Even saying this, I've barely ever seen a healer/DPS pull for a tank, the tanks are normally ahead of everyone else. People DO stop for a few seconds after each boss. People also stop BEFORE a boss is pulled. I've only had it once in my multitude of Duties where a DPS pulled whilst I was in a cutscene. Bit annoying, but made things a little fun because I got to press 3 more buttons to "catch up" before I go back to my 1 button spam xD.

So, am I also considered the "best of the best", since I can easily deal with W2W pulling quickly without barely touching my resources? I've even set myself a task of learning to mainly heal through oGCD's, to the point, my last few dungeons have had 0 healing GCD's pressed. All of my GCD's went to damage, and no on died! So, if people really are struggling with this, then, I have to call into question as to "why". It's not because it's difficult (Unless I'm a super-chad who was able to heal easily from me starting this game) and it's not because mobs actually do a lot of damage. it's more down to laziness. If you can't press a few buttons to keep people alive, then, why are you playing a healer?

Same as a tank, from what I've read, Aggro is seriously easy to keep/get back. If you can't press 1-2 AoE's to take aggro back, then, what are you doing? Standing their twiddling your thumbs?

Peace all, from the best of the best chad healer known as Lala!

[Ivtrix]

I don’t care if dps and healers pull, just drag it to me.

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

[Coletergeist]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

You can say the same thing vice versa; if you want to smell the flowers, make a premade. Thing is, it's the *majority* that wants to go faster, so take that as you will.
Also, what if the pull was accidental? Still gonna go through with a report for "griefing"? If 3 out of 4 people want to do the thing faster, it's the slower one that is being rude, not the other way around.
/shrug

[Saraide]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

"pull without your permission" What you are looking for is not fellow players, you're looking for slaves. Perhaps you should be looking to trusts if other players not recognizing you as authority is that difficult for you.

[LalaLlama]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

Would you like to explain to me how it is "griefing"? If someone pulls, does it REQUIRE a tank to actively HAVE to go out of their way to get aggro off of them? From what I've read, it takes 1-2 AoE's to take aggro off of everyone. So, just do normal rotation and nothing changes, right?

Also, It does not matter if YOU personally hate being rushed. If the other 3 people WANT to rush, then you should do it as well. Majority vote and all of that. If you then proceed to slow them down, then you are "griefing" the group and ruining other people's enjoyments.

And lastly, you clearly have no clue about a tank role. The whole "it's the tanks job to grab and maintain aggro" is correct, but, this has nothing to do with pulling. If someone pulls, you GRAB aggro off of them. It is NOT the tanks role to pull, and this type of mentality is really bad. The whole "You pull you tank" is nothing but toxic and griefing.

[LeonKeyh]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

Fact of the matter is, the culture of the game expects wall to wall pulls. It's an unwritten rule. If you want to go against that culture for any reason at all, you're the one that needs to make a premade or do trusts if you want to take your time.

I don't understand how you can claim to want to take your time and chat but refuse to make a premade so that you can play with the same people and actually....you know... make friends with people who will stick around longer than 25 minutes.

[rewd]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

I think being a GM in this game is miserable, considering the community. It's nice that you want to lighten up their day with joke reports. Seeing a "People played without my permission" report would surely makes them laugh for a bit